·1· · · ·2 · · ·3· · · ·4· · · ·5· · · ·6· · · ·7· · · ·8· · · ·9· · · 10· · · 11· · · 12· · · 13· · · 14· · · 15· · ·IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS · · · · · COUNTY DEPARTMENT - LAW DIVISION ·ANTONIO LEGRIER, Individually· ) ·and as Special Administrator· ·) ·of the Estate of QUINTONIO· · ·) ·LEGRIER, Deceased,· · · · · · ·) · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ) · · · · · · · ·Plaintiff,· · · ·) · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ) · · ·vs.· · · · · · · · · · · · )· No. 15 L 12964 · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ) ·CITY OF CHICAGO,· · · · · · · ·) · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ) · · · · · · · ·Defendant.· · · ·) ·----------------------------· ·)· Consolidated with ·LATARSHA JONES, Individually· ·) ·and as Special Administrator· ·) ·of the Estate of BETTIE RUTH· ·) ·JONES, Deceased, and LATISHA· ·) ·JONES,· · · · · · · · · · · · ·) · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ) · · · · · · · ·Plaintiffs,· · · ) · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ) · · ·vs.· · · · · · · · · · · · )· No. 16 L 00012 · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ) ·CITY OF CHICAGO,· · · · · · · ·) · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ) · · · · · · · ·Defendant.· · · ·) 16· · · ·The video-recorded discovery deposition of 17· EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, taken under oath on Thursday, 18· March 15, 2018, at Richard J. Daley Center, 50 West 19· Washington Street, Courtroom 2206, Chicago, 20· Illinois, pursuant to the Rules of the Supreme 21· Court of Illinois and the Code of Civil Procedure, 22· before Nick D. Bowen, Certified Shorthand Reporter 23· No. 084-001661, commencing at 1:12 p.m., pursuant 24· to notice. EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 ·1· · · ·APPEARANCES: ·2· · · ·3· · · ·4· · · ·5· · · ·6· · · ·7· · · ·8· · · ·9· · · 10· · · 11· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · FOUTRIS LAW OFFICE, LTD., by MR. BASILEIOS J. FOUTRIS (53 West Jackson Boulevard, Suite 252 ·Chicago, Illinois· 60604 ·312.212.1200 ·bfoutris@foutrislaw.com) · · · · · · ·-andJAMES D. MONTGOMERY & ASSOCIATES, LTD., by MR. JOHN K.J. KENNEDY and MR. DANIEL WATKINS (One North LaSalle Street, Suite 2450 ·Chicago, Illinois· 60602 ·312.977.0200 ·jkennedy@jdmlaw.com ·dwatkins@jdmlaw.com) · ·appeared on behalf of the plaintiff · ·Antonio LeGrier, individually and as · ·Special Administrator of the Estate · ·of Quintonio LeGrier, deceased; 12· · · 13· · · 14· · · 15· · · 16· · · 17· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · POWER ROGERS & SMITH, PC, by MR. JONATHAN M. THOMAS (70 West Madison Street, Suite 5500 ·Chicago, Illinois· 60602-4212 ·312.236.9381 ·jthomas@prslaw.com) · ·appeared on behalf of the plaintiff · ·Latarsha Jones, individually and as · ·Special Administrator of the Estate of · ·Bettie Ruth Jones, deceased, and · ·Latisha Jones; 18· · · 19· · · 20· · · 21· · · 22 · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · HALE LAW, by MS. BARRETT BOUDREAUX (53 West Jackson, Suite 330 ·Chicago, Illinois· 60604 ·312.870.6926 ·bboudreaux@ahalelaw.com) · ·appeared on behalf of the defendant · ·City of Chicago. 23 24 Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 Page 2 EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 3 ·1· · · ·ALSO PRESENT: ·2· · · ·3· · · ·4· · · ·5· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Judge James N. O'Hara Ms. Naomi Avendano, Law Department Ms. Steffanie N. Garrett, Deputy Corporation Counsel Ms. Charise Valente, General Counsel, Office of Legal Affairs Mr. Joe Beile, Video Technician. ·6· · · · · · · · · ·*· *· *· *· *· * * ·7 ·8 ·9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 4 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · ·I N D E X ·2 · · ·3 · · ·4 · · ·5 · · ·6· Witness:· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Page · · ·EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON · · · · · Examination by: · · · · · Mr. Foutris..................· · · 6 · · · · · Mr. Thomas...................· · 144 ·7 ·8 ·9 10· · · · · · · · · · E X H I B I T S 11· ·No.· ·Description· · · · · · · · Marked/Referenced 12· · · 13· · · 14· · · 15 · · · · · · ·1· ·2· ·3· · · ·4· · · 04/05/2017 To/From..................... Summary Report......................... 02/21/2018 Letter Bates No. IPRA-LG-8030........................... 02/21/2018 Letter Bates No. IPRA-LG-8031........................... 112 135 137 137 16· · · · · (Exhibits 1 and 2 attached/scanned.) · · · · (Exhibits 3 and 4 retained by Mr. Foutris.) 17 18 19· · · · · · · · · · · · · - - 20 21 22 23 24 Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 5 ·1· · · · THE VIDEO TECHNICIAN:· Recording.· For the ·2· record, my name is Joe Beile with Video Instanter. ·3· I'm the video recording device operator for this ·4· deposition.· Our business address is 134 North ·5· LaSalle Street, Suite 1400, Chicago, Illinois, ·6· 60602. ·7· · · · · · · · ·This deposition is being video ·8· recorded pursuant to Illinois Supreme Court Rule ·9· 206 and all other applicable state and local rules. 10· · · · · · · · ·We are at Richard J. Daley Center, 11· 50 West Washington in Chicago, Illinois to take the 12· video recorded discovery deposition of Superintendent 13· Eddie Johnson, case No. 2015 L 12964 consolidated 14· into 2016 L 000012 in the Circuit Court of Cook 15· County, Illinois, County Department, Law Division. 16· · · · · · · · ·Today's date is March 15, 2018, and 17· the time is 1:12 p.m. 18· · · · · · · · ·This deposition is being video 19· recorded at the instance of the plaintiff.· It is 20· being taken on behalf of the plaintiff. 21· · · · · · · · ·Would the attorneys present please 22· introduce themselves for record? 23· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Basileios, B-a-s-i-l-e-i-o-s, 24· Foutris, for the LeGrier estate. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 6 ·1· · · · MR. THOMAS:· Jonathan Thomas for the Jones ·2· estate. ·3· · · · MR. KENNEDY:· Jack Kennedy also for the ·4· LeGrier estate. ·5· · · · MR. WATKINS:· Daniel Watkins for the LeGrier ·6· estate. ·7· · · · MS. GARRETT:· Steffanie Garrett for the City. ·8· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Barrett Boudreaux for the ·9· City. 10· · · · MS. VALENTE:· Charise Valente, General 11· Counsel, CPD. 12· · · · MS. AVENDANO:· Naomi Avendano, City of 13· Chicago. 14· · · · THE VIDEO TECHNICIAN:· Can we please swear in 15· the witness? 16· · · · · · · · · EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON 17· called as a witness herein, having been first duly 18· sworn, was examined and testified as follows: 19· · · · · · · · · · · EXAMINATION 20· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 21· · · · Q.· · Good afternoon. 22· · · · · · · · ·Could you state and spell your full 23· legal name for the record? 24· · · · A.· · Eddie Johnson; E-d-d-i-e J-o-h-n-s-o-n. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 7 ·1· · · · Q.· · Do you have a middle name? ·2· · · · A.· · Tyrone T-y-r-o-n-e. ·3· · · · Q.· · Sir, I presume you've taken a deposition ·4· before. ·5· · · · A.· · Yes. ·6· · · · Q.· · All right.· So you know the ground ·7· rules.· I'll go through them very quickly. ·8· · · · · · · · ·First, you've got to give us all ·9· verbal responses.· If you shrug your -- if you 10· shrug your shoulders, nod your head, say uh-huh or 11· un-uhn, they cannot be taken down accurately.· Do 12· you understand that? 13· · · · A.· · Yes. 14· · · · Q.· · Got to wait until a question's fully 15· asked before you answer for a number of reasons, 16· primarily because the court reporter sitting to 17· your left.· Do you understand that? 18· · · · A.· · Yes. 19· · · · Q.· · No more conversation, we'll talk over 20· one another; let's try to avoid doing that.· Okay? 21· · · · A.· · Certainly. 22· · · · Q.· · If there's a question that I ask or 23· anybody here asks that doesn't make sense to you in 24· some fashion, whether it's a word I use or phrase Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 8 ·1· or the entirety of the question, you need to tell ·2· me.· Will you do that? ·3· · · · A.· · Yes. ·4· · · · Q.· · You understand you're under oath? ·5· · · · A.· · Yes. ·6· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Your current position is what? ·7· · · · A.· · Superintendent of the Chicago Police ·8· Department. ·9· · · · Q.· · When did you attain that position? 10· · · · A.· · I was officially sworn in April 13th of 11· 2016. 12· · · · Q.· · And you were the interim superintendent 13· for a period of time? 14· · · · A.· · Yes. 15· · · · Q.· · When was that? 16· · · · A.· · I believe the date for interim 17· superintendent was March 28th of 2016. 18· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Before that you were the chief 19· of patrol for the Chicago Police Department? 20· · · · A.· · Correct. 21· · · · Q.· · And you got that job in December, is 22· that right, of 2015? 23· · · · A.· · December of 2015. 24· · · · Q.· · And Superintendent Escalante appointed Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 9 ·1· you to that position, or was it Garry McCarthy? ·2· · · · A.· · I believe it was Superintendent ·3· McCarthy. ·4· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And so if we can have the date ·5· of the appointment to the chief of patrol, I'd ·6· appreciate that. ·7· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Counsel, I'm going to cut it ·8· off.· As I said before, there's been stipulations ·9· and things like that on his background -- I mean, 10· I'll let you go this far, but then it's not going 11· to go much further. 12· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Right.· I just wanted to know 13· when he was going to be -- when he was chief of 14· police in relation to this incident happening in 15· December -16· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· He just testified when he 17· became the chief of police. 18· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· I'm sorry, the chief of patrol, 19· Judge.· Because this happened in December of 2015, 20· and he attained that position in December.· I want 21· to make sure it's before. 22· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Mr. Superintendent, were you 23· chief of patrol on the date of this incident? 24· · · · THE WITNESS:· The date of the incident, yes, Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 10 ·1· I was. ·2· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·3· · · · Q.· · All right.· So I take it that you ·4· prepared for this deposition in some fashion; ·5· is that correct? ·6· · · · A.· · Yes. ·7· · · · Q.· · All right.· What did you do in that ·8· regard? ·9· · · · A.· · I had a meeting with the lawyers. 10· · · · Q.· · Which lawyers?· Don't tell us what was 11· said.· Just tell us who was present. 12· · · · A.· · The two lawyers to my right and -13· · · · Q.· · Ms. Garrett and Ms. Boudreaux? 14· · · · A.· · Yes. 15· · · · Q.· · And who -16· · · · A.· · And then the lawyer to my immediate 17· left -18· · · · Q.· · Ms. -19· · · · A.· · -- Ms. Valente. 20· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And who was present at that 21· meeting?· Was it just you and the lawyers, or was 22· anybody else present? 23· · · · A.· · Just myself and the lawyers. 24· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And how long did that meeting Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 11 ·1· last? ·2· · · · A.· · Maybe an hour. ·3· · · · Q.· · Did you review any material during that ·4· deposition -- or during that preparation for this ·5· deposition? ·6· · · · A.· · No. ·7· · · · Q.· · Have you ever reviewed any material to ·8· prepare for today's deposition? ·9· · · · A.· · No. 10· · · · Q.· · Have you had any other -- without 11· telling us the nature of communications, have you 12· had any other communications with anybody to 13· prepare for today's deposition before your one-hour 14· meeting? 15· · · · A.· · No. 16· · · · Q.· · Prior to December 26, 2015, to your 17· knowledge, had you ever met with or interacted with 18· Quintonio LeGrier? 19· · · · A.· · No. 20· · · · Q.· · Prior to December 26, 2015, to your 21· knowledge, had you ever met with or interacted 22· with Janet Cooksey or Antonio LeGrier? 23· · · · A.· · No. 24· · · · Q.· · Since December 26, 2015, have you ever Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 12 ·1· communicated with or interacted with Antonio ·2· LeGrier? ·3· · · · A.· · No. ·4· · · · Q.· · How about with Janet Cooksey? ·5· · · · A.· · No. ·6· · · · Q.· · Do you know who those two people are? ·7· · · · A.· · I believe Cooksey is the mother. ·8· · · · · · · · ·And what was the other name? ·9· · · · Q.· · Antonio LeGrier. 10· · · · A.· · I'm going to assume that's the father. 11· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Prior to December 26, 2015, to 12· your knowledge, did you ever interact with Bettie 13· Jones? 14· · · · A.· · No. 15· · · · Q.· · Prior to that date, to your knowledge, 16· had you ever interacted with any of her daughters 17· or her son? 18· · · · A.· · No. 19· · · · Q.· · Since that date have you interacted or 20· communicated in any way to your knowledge with any 21· of Bettie Jones' daughters or son? 22· · · · A.· · I believe I've seen the daughters at 23· police board hearings, but no personal contact that 24· I can recall. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 13 ·1· · · · Q.· · When you said "no personal contact," ·2· what does that mean? ·3· · · · A.· · That means no communication.· I recall ·4· seeing them there, but no interaction between us. ·5· · · · Q.· · How did you know that those were Bettie ·6· Jones' daughters? ·7· · · · A.· · They said they were. ·8· · · · Q.· · They actually spoke up during the ·9· police board meeting you mean? 10· · · · A.· · Correct. 11· · · · Q.· · And identified themselves? 12· · · · A.· · Correct. 13· · · · Q.· · Prior to December 26, 2015, to your 14· knowledge, had you ever interacted with or 15· communicated with Officer Rialmo? 16· · · · A.· · No. 17· · · · Q.· · How about Officer LaPalermo? 18· · · · A.· · Not that I recall. 19· · · · Q.· · Officer LaPalermo's father was a police 20· officer in the 23rd and 16th Districts.· He's now 21· retired.· His name is Phil LaPalermo. 22· · · · · · · · ·At any point in time did you ever 23· work with him? 24· · · · A.· · Not that I recall. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 14 ·1· · · · Q.· · Officer LaPalermo's mother is also ·2· retired CPD.· At the end of her career, she was ·3· a detective at Area North.· Her name is Karen ·4· LaPalermo. ·5· · · · · · · · ·Do you know who she is? ·6· · · · A.· · No. ·7· · · · Q.· · During your duties as a police officer ·8· at whatever rank, had you ever been to the 4700 ·9· block of West Erie before December 26, 2015? 10· · · · A.· · It's possible. 11· · · · Q.· · In what context? 12· · · · A.· · As a patrol officer or as a sergeant. 13· I used -- I was a sergeant in Area 4 detective 14· division, which was Harrison and Kedzie.· So I 15· could have had the occasion to visit that area. 16· · · · Q.· · But we're talking years before, right? 17· · · · A.· · Correct. 18· · · · Q.· · Let's put it this way:· In, say, the 19· six months before December 26, 2015, in connection 20· with your police duties, had you ever been to the 21· 4700 block of West Erie? 22· · · · A.· · Not that I recall. 23· · · · Q.· · Okay.· In connection with your police 24· duties after December 26, 2015, had you ever been Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 15 ·1· to the 4700 block of West Erie? ·2· · · · A.· · Not that I recall. ·3· · · · Q.· · Anything that might help you remember ·4· if you'd been there? ·5· · · · A.· · Maybe a calendar or -- but to the best ·6· of my recollection, no. ·7· · · · Q.· · Okay.· All right.· So before December 26, ·8· 2015, I take it you had been to crime scenes as a ·9· police officer. 10· · · · A.· · Yes. 11· · · · Q.· · Had you been to any police-involved 12· shootings before that date? 13· · · · A.· · Yes. 14· · · · Q.· · In what capacity? 15· · · · A.· · During my career as a patrolman, I was 16· involved in a few officer-involved shootings. 17· · · · Q.· · And just to clarify so that we're 18· clear for the record, you're not saying that you 19· discharged your weapon? 20· · · · A.· · No. 21· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So just to be clear.· So you'd 22· been on scenes that other officers had discharged 23· their weapons as a patrol officer? 24· · · · A.· · Yes. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 16 ·1· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Any other instances? ·2· · · · A.· · As a sergeant in the detective division, ·3· I responded to several police-involved shootings. ·4· · · · · · · · ·As a commander -- or as a lieutenant ·5· in the 15th District, I responded to police-involved ·6· shootings. ·7· · · · · · · · ·As a district commander, I responded ·8· to police-involved shootings. ·9· · · · · · · · ·As a deputy chief, I responded to 10· police-involved shootings. 11· · · · Q.· · So you went to police-involved 12· shootings in the nature of a street deputy? 13· · · · A.· · Correct. 14· · · · Q.· · And how many times did you go to 15· police-involved shootings in the nature of a 16· street deputy? 17· · · · A.· · Several. 18· · · · Q.· · What's your definition of several? 19· · · · A.· · Probably at least, I would say, 20· somewhere around 10; 10 to 20. 21· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And can you give us timeframes 22· of those so we have context?· Just give us a range 23· of dates. 24· · · · A.· · I was promoted to commander in 2008, Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 17 ·1· so -- and I was deputy chief until 2015.· So in ·2· between that time.· Several years. ·3· · · · Q.· · Did you go to any police-involved ·4· shootings as a street deputy in 2015? ·5· · · · A.· · I don't recall. ·6· · · · Q.· · When you responded to police-involved ·7· shootings as a street deputy, did you ever author ·8· a memo to the OCIC or to any other supervisor ·9· concerning what you learned on scene as a street 10· deputy? 11· · · · A.· · You mean written or oral? 12· · · · Q.· · First I'm talking about written. 13· · · · A.· · No. 14· · · · Q.· · I'm aware from other cases that street 15· deputies used to at some point draft some type of a 16· memo concerning what he or she learned as a street 17· deputy on a police-involved shooting.· Do you know 18· what I'm talking about? 19· · · · A.· · Yes.· Years ago, yes. 20· · · · Q.· · Do you know when that practice ended? 21· · · · A.· · Not specifically, but I would guess 22· probably somewhere in the 2000s. 23· · · · Q.· · If I were to tell you that I have a 24· memo from August 15th, 2015 from a street deputy Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 18 ·1· from a police-involved shooting in the 7th District, ·2· would that help you remember as to whether in 2015 ·3· street deputies had to have such type -- such memos? ·4· · · · A.· · I don't know what memo -- what type of ·5· memo you're referring to.· If you're referring to ·6· some documentation on a TRR, then I am aware of ·7· that.· But just a memo regarding a shooting, I'm ·8· not aware of that. ·9· · · · Q.· · Just to be clear, I'm not talking about 10· a TRR.· For the TRR, you're talking about tactical 11· response report? 12· · · · A.· · Correct. 13· · · · Q.· · Okay.· The type of memo I'm talking 14· about is a To/From, and it contains a narrative 15· portion on the memo.· So just to describe for you 16· what I have from August 15th, 2015 and from other 17· shootings.· I'm not talking about the most recent. 18· Do you understand what I'm saying? 19· · · · A.· · Yes. 20· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So what I'm describing is it is 21· a narrative where the street deputy is describing 22· all the conversations that he had on scene with the 23· involved officers.· As a matter of fact, Ms. Barrett 24· was involved in that case too. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 19 ·1· · · · · · · · ·So does that help you refresh your ·2· memory as to what I'm talking about? ·3· · · · A.· · I know what you're talking about, but ·4· I'm not aware of any documentation of that type ·5· being prepared in 2015. ·6· · · · Q.· · Okay.· All right.· So in 2015 when you ·7· responded as a street deputy, you never authored ·8· such memos? ·9· · · · A.· · During the time I don't know if I 10· responded as a street deputy in 2015.· I don't 11· recall doing that.· I may have.· But I'm not sure. 12· But in the times I've been street deputy, I never 13· authored a memo of that type. 14· · · · Q.· · Okay.· In this case, do you know -15· first of all, you know that Melissa Staples was the 16· street deputy in this case, right? 17· · · · A.· · Yes. 18· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Do you know if Melissa Staples 19· authored the memo we're talking about? 20· · · · A.· · No, I don't. 21· · · · Q.· · Do you know if she was obligated as of 22· December 2015 to create such a memo? 23· · · · A.· · To the best of my recollection, no. 24· · · · Q.· · And I don't recall the name of the Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 20 ·1· memo.· The memo that we're talking about, what do ·2· you know it to be called so that we're just talking ·3· about the same thing? ·4· · · · A.· · So prior to 2015, as I said before, I ·5· know of a To/From that would document what the ·6· street deputy observed.· But to my knowledge, that ·7· practice was ceased somewhere in the 2000s. ·8· · · · Q.· · Right.· I understand.· So you're just ·9· referring to it as a To/From because that's -10· · · · A.· · Yes. 11· · · · Q.· · Okay.· All right.· Now, when a street 12· deputy responds to a police-involved shooting -13· and I'm talking about December of 2015.· Do you 14· understand that? 15· · · · A.· · Yes. 16· · · · Q.· · Okay.· As the chief of patrol, you were 17· familiar with what street deputies were supposed to 18· do in responding to police-involved shootings back 19· in December of 2015; is that right? 20· · · · A.· · A basic knowledge, yes. 21· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Would you agree that it's 22· important to keep involved officers separated 23· as a street deputy? 24· · · · A.· · Yes. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 21 ·1· · · · Q.· · They should be kept separated until ·2· they give statements to detectives and/or at that ·3· time IPRA; is that right? ·4· · · · A.· · Well, they're separated even then. ·5· They should not give statements together with the ·6· detectives or IPRA. ·7· · · · Q.· · And they should be separated from the ·8· time of the shooting until they give their initial ·9· statements, fair? 10· · · · A.· · Yes. 11· · · · Q.· · That's what was supposed to happen in 12· this case, right? 13· · · · A.· · That should happen. 14· · · · Q.· · And one of the reasons why the involved 15· officers are supposed to be separated is because as 16· a street deputy you would not want the officers to 17· get their stories straight; is that right? 18· · · · A.· · Well, we wouldn't want them to talk 19· about what happened together. 20· · · · Q.· · And you wouldn't want the potential of 21· them talking about what happened together? 22· · · · A.· · Correct. 23· · · · Q.· · And you wouldn't want them to corrupt 24· their stories by listening to what each other had Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 22 ·1· to say; is that right? ·2· · · · A.· · Correct. ·3· · · · Q.· · So that would extend to anybody on the ·4· scene, not just the street deputy?· So in other ·5· words, a lieutenant that arrived on scene would be ·6· expected to keep the officers separated; is that ·7· right? ·8· · · · A.· · Well, the first responding supervisor, ·9· it's their responsibility actually to separate them 10· as soon as they respond to the scene. 11· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And you would expect that any 12· supervisor that spoke to the involved officers on 13· the scene would do that separately, right? 14· · · · A.· · Yes. 15· · · · Q.· · So, for instance, do you know who 16· Lieutenant Stuart is in this case, Stephanie 17· Stuart? 18· · · · A.· · Yes, I know Lieutenant Stuart. 19· · · · Q.· · Were you aware that she responded to 20· the scene? 21· · · · A.· · No. 22· · · · Q.· · Were you aware that -- were you ever 23· advised from any source that Lieutenant Stephanie 24· Stuart talked to LaPalermo and Rialmo on scene Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 23 ·1· about what had happened? ·2· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· And I'm going to object to ·3· any source and calling for attorney-client privilege. ·4· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· One second.· So when you say ·5· "attorney-client privilege," are you directing him ·6· not to answer? ·7· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· No.· I'm just saying to the ·8· extent it calls for attorney-client privilege. ·9· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Okay.· You can answer if you 10· can, Superintendent. 11· · · · THE WITNESS:· Can you repeat that question? 12· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 13· · · · Q.· · Right.· Have you been made aware, aside 14· from what your attorneys told you, that Lieutenant 15· Stephanie Stuart spoke to Rialmo and LaPalermo on 16· scene on the date of the incident? 17· · · · A.· · No. 18· · · · Q.· · Okay.· If she had done so, would 19· you expect that she would have spoken to them 20· separately about what had happened? 21· · · · A.· · That would be my expectation, yes. 22· · · · Q.· · And that's what should have happened? 23· · · · A.· · Yes. 24· · · · Q.· · Okay.· If any supervisor at any level, Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 24 ·1· including a sergeant, had spoken to LaPalermo or ·2· Rialmo about what had happened, even a sergeant ·3· should have done so separately; is that right? ·4· · · · A.· · Yes. ·5· · · · Q.· · It's not only a best practice, but it's ·6· something that is expected of supervisors in the ·7· CPD, right? ·8· · · · A.· · Yes. ·9· · · · Q.· · Is it the job of a street deputy on 10· the scene of a police-involved shooting to, quote, 11· "support police officers whether they are right or 12· wrong"? 13· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm going to object to beyond 14· the scope of the things that this Court ruled were 15· relevant areas of inquiry for this deposition.· And 16· we can -17· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· What was the question? 18· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· If it's the job of a street 19· deputy on scene to, quote, "support police officers 20· whether they are right or wrong."· This is part of 21· the code of silence issue that I was allowed to get 22· into. 23· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Support what? 24· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Police officers. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 25 ·1· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Here's my problem with the ·2· question.· Support police officers on the street ·3· if they were right or wrong, does that mean if ·4· they're right or wrong in helping somebody cross ·5· the street, if they're right or wrong in writing ·6· parking tickets, if they're right or wrong in ·7· chasing a suspect, if they're right -·8· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· I'll rephrase, Judge. ·9· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Yeah.· I think that needs to 10· be done. 11· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 12· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Is it the job of the street 13· deputy on the scene of a police-involved shooting 14· in the context of communicating with the involved 15· officers to support those police officers whether 16· they are right or wrong? 17· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Object to form. 18· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Answer it if you can, sir, 19· over objection. 20· · · · THE WITNESS:· Right or wrong in what context? 21· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· In the context of the police22· involved shooting. 23· · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't know if I can answer 24· that question.· I don't -- I'm not understanding Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 26 ·1· what you're asking me. ·2· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·3· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Well, is it the job of a ·4· supervisor to support a police officer whether ·5· that officer has justifiably or unjustifiably ·6· shot somebody on the scene of a police-involved ·7· shooting? ·8· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Object to form and incomplete ·9· hypothetical situation. 10· · · · · · · · ·You can answer. 11· · · · THE WITNESS:· Okay.· And what do you mean by 12· "support"? 13· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· I'm using Melissa Staples' word. 14· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· If you don't understand the 15· question, just tell him. 16· · · · THE WITNESS:· Yeah.· I don't understand what 17· you're -- what you're trying to -18· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 19· · · · Q.· · Sure. 20· · · · · · · · ·Do you agree with Melissa Staples 21· that it is the job of a street deputy on the scene 22· of a police-involved shooting to support a police 23· officer involved -- an involved police officer 24· whether that individual is right or wrong? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 27 ·1· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Same objection to form. ·2· · · · · · · · ·You can answer if you understand. ·3· · · · THE WITNESS:· You mean support them ·4· emotionally? ·5· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· In any way.· Let's start with ·6· that. ·7· · · · THE WITNESS:· Okay.· Well, I think that the ·8· job of a street deputy is to ascertain as best they ·9· can what actually occurred and get the facts of the 10· case and see if the officer involved in it needs 11· some emotional support, such as employee assistance, 12· things of that nature. 13· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 14· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So the only support that you 15· would agree with would be emotional support and 16· none other? 17· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm going to object as 18· mischaracterizing. 19· · · · · · · · ·You can answer. 20· · · · THE WITNESS:· I mean, it's not the job of 21· a street deputy to determine whether or not a 22· shooting is justified or unjustified if that's 23· what you're asking.· But in terms of supporting 24· the officer, it is a basic responsibility to make Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 28 ·1· sure the officer emotionally and physically are ·2· supported. ·3· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·4· · · · Q.· · Is it the job of a street deputy to ·5· cover for the involved police officers? ·6· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Object to form, vague. ·7· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· By -- I mean, I think you need ·8· to be a little more specific in "cover."· I mean, ·9· if it's raining, do they hold umbrellas over their 10· heads?· Let's ask the question that needs to be 11· asked here. 12· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 13· · · · Q.· · Is it the job of a street deputy to 14· protect a police officer that was involved in a 15· police-involved shooting? 16· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Same objection; form. 17· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Answer it if you can. 18· · · · THE WITNESS:· Protect them in what way? 19· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· In any way. 20· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Objection; overbroad. 21· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Okay.· Here, lookit, it's 22· going to be the same thing.· Protect him from the 23· rain?· Protect him from oncoming traffic?· It's not 24· a specific question.· You need specific -- I mean, Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 29 ·1· if you want to proceed along that way in vague ·2· questions -·3· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Okay. ·4· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· -- well, feel free, but I ·5· don't think it's where you want to go. ·6· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Okay.· Protect them from ·7· scrutiny. ·8· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Same objection. ·9· · · · · · · · ·You can answer. 10· · · · THE WITNESS:· It's the job of the street 11· deputy to get to the facts of the case.· But 12· scrutiny is going to happen with any police13· involved shooting.· So the job of the street deputy 14· is not to protect them from scrutiny.· We know that 15· that's going to occur. 16· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 17· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Do you know what a Leica scan is? 18· · · · A.· · Say again. 19· · · · Q.· · Do you know what a Leica scan is? 20· · · · A.· · Yes. 21· · · · Q.· · As the chief of patrol in December of 22· 2015, you were aware that the CPD had Leica scans 23· available to it? 24· · · · A.· · Yes. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 30 ·1· · · · Q.· · And Leica scans would be used by the ·2· CPD in investigating homicides, right? ·3· · · · A.· · Yes. ·4· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And the forensic services ·5· division, would that be under the bureau of ·6· patrol? ·7· · · · A.· · No. ·8· · · · Q.· · As a street deputy, could Melissa ·9· Staples have asked that a Leica scan be brought 10· to this police-involved shooting? 11· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Object to incomplete 12· hypothetical and calling for speculation. 13· · · · · · · · ·You can answer if you know. 14· · · · THE WITNESS:· The job of the street deputy is 15· to ensure that the members of the detective division 16· get the resources that they need; so it would 17· actually be up to the detective division to request 18· the materials that they need and resources. 19· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 20· · · · Q.· · Well, could Melissa Staples have done 21· it on her own? 22· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Same objections. 23· · · · · · · · ·You can answer. 24· · · · THE WITNESS:· Typically a street deputy Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 31 ·1· wouldn't make that decision.· They're not actually ·2· conducting that investigation.· The detective ·3· division is.· So it's up to the detective division ·4· to make that request. ·5· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·6· · · · Q.· · I didn't hear.· You say would or would ·7· not?· I didn't hear what you said.· I don't know if ·8· you said would or wouldn't. ·9· · · · A.· · The street deputy -- the street deputy 10· typically would not do that.· It's up to the 11· detective division to request those resources. 12· · · · Q.· · I'm asking if she could have done that. 13· · · · A.· · I suppose anything could happen. 14· · · · Q.· · Well, I'm not talking about anything. 15· I'm talking about specifically a Leica scan. 16· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm going to object to asked 17· and answered. 18· · · · THE WITNESS:· Again, you know, the street 19· deputy could ask for the whole bureau to come out 20· there. 21· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 22· · · · Q.· · All right.· Let me put it this way: 23· The commander of Area North at that time was Kevin 24· Duffin.· You know him, right? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 32 ·1· · · · A.· · Yes. ·2· · · · Q.· · Could Kevin Duffin have asked for a ·3· Leica scan to be conducted at this crime scene? ·4· · · · A.· · Yes. ·5· · · · Q.· · Would you agree with me that it would ·6· be a good idea to have had a Leica scan done of ·7· this crime scene by the CPD? ·8· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Objection; foundation, calls ·9· for speculation. 10· · · · · · · · ·If you know. 11· · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't know.· I would have to 12· be at the scene and assess it myself to be able to 13· accurately respond to that. 14· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 15· · · · Q.· · You understand the basics of what a 16· Leica scan does is it measures distances, right? 17· · · · A.· · I have a basic understanding of it. 18· · · · Q.· · Well, you've seen the program, right? 19· · · · A.· · I've seen the machine, and I've seen 20· them use it.· Now, the actual practical use of it, 21· I couldn't tell you what that is. 22· · · · Q.· · Well, you understand what the purpose 23· of it is, right? 24· · · · A.· · Basic understanding. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 33 ·1· · · · Q.· · It's to document certain aspects of a ·2· crime screen, right? ·3· · · · A.· · Yes, I would say that's fair. ·4· · · · Q.· · And the Leica scan uses a laser ·5· measurement to essentially create a 3-D picture ·6· of a particular crime scene; is that right? ·7· · · · A.· · Yes. ·8· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And in using the software that ·9· comes along with that scan, you can then measure, 10· for instance, how far a particular shell casing is 11· from any other shell casing? 12· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm sorry, Judge.· I have 13· to object to scope again.· This is outside of the 14· purview of what has already been ruled on as 15· applicable topics for this deposition.· And I'm 16· referring to the March 15th and the February 15th 17· transcripts. 18· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· How many more questions do you 19· have along this line, Counsel? 20· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Just a few minutes, Judge, 21· regarding the crime scene itself. 22· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm objecting.· He was not a 23· part of this investigation.· He's not established 24· that he was. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 34 ·1· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· He was the chief of patrol, ·2· Judge.· He certainly had the ability to control ·3· this investigation and can speak on the proper ·4· practices of the other individuals that were at ·5· the crime scene. ·6· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· There's no -·7· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Let me interrupt you.· Does he ·8· have authority to speak regarding the firemen who ·9· were on the scene?· No. 10· · · · THE WITNESS:· No. 11· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Regarding the paramedics who 12· were on the scene?· No. 13· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Right. 14· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· So he has a limited ability 15· to speak on certain people on the scene.· So it 16· shouldn't be so broad.· And I'm not sure who he 17· controls.· So it's who was under his purview at the 18· time on the scene, I guess. 19· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm just saying that no 20· foundation has been laid for any of that.· And 21· based on the transcripts, there are four areas of 22· inquiry that were specifically allowed to go in. 23· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Over your objection, and the 24· objection will be noted for the record, and we'll Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 35 ·1· review it at a later date in these proceedings. ·2· You got a few more questions, not two more minutes ·3· in this area because there's nothing involved, ·4· Leica scans or anything else that was brought up ·5· during these deposition -- or during the court ·6· hearings.· And while the logical corollary can be ·7· extrapolated on a number of things, I think we're ·8· getting on the edge of the envelope on that right ·9· now. 10· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Okay, Judge. 11· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 12· · · · Q.· · Have you followed any print media 13· regarding this particular lawsuit? 14· · · · A.· · I've seen some -- some reports on it, 15· yes. 16· · · · Q.· · Which reports? 17· · · · A.· · I don't know specifically.· But I've 18· seen some things in the media. 19· · · · Q.· · When did you start looking -- and I ask 20· about print first.· I was going to ask about TV and 21· Internet later, but just print. 22· · · · A.· · I -23· · · · Q.· · When did you start following this case 24· in the print media? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 36 ·1· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Objection to "following." ·2· · · · · · · · ·You can answer. ·3· · · · THE WITNESS:· I've never followed the case in ·4· print media.· I have -- trust me, I have enough ·5· things to do than to follow what the media is ·6· printing in the paper. ·7· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·8· · · · Q.· · Fair enough. ·9· · · · · · · · ·When did you first read something 10· about this case in the print media?· Because it was 11· all over the news starting the day of.· Was it that 12· day or later? 13· · · · A.· · I really don't recall. 14· · · · Q.· · When's the last time you did? 15· · · · A.· · It's been quite a while.· I don't know. 16· Because honestly I really don't follow it in the 17· media.· So if something happens to come to my 18· attention, then it does.· But I don't -- I don't 19· make an effort -20· · · · Q.· · Understood. 21· · · · A.· · -- to read anything. 22· · · · Q.· · Let's put it this way:· As far as this 23· case and the media, what things have come to your 24· attention? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 37 ·1· · · · A.· · Something as simple as his mother's ·2· name, things of that nature. ·3· · · · Q.· · You didn't get that from the COPA report? ·4· · · · A.· · No. ·5· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Anything else that you gathered ·6· about this case in the media other than Janet ·7· Cooksey, her name? ·8· · · · A.· · No, because -·9· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Hold on one second.· I'm going 10· to interrupt.· Where's this going?· About what 11· paper he reads and -12· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· No.· I just wanted to find out 13· if his knowledge of this case has been corrupted in 14· any way by what he's learned in the media.· That's 15· all.· That's what I'm getting at. 16· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· All right. 17· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 18· · · · Q.· · I just want to find out what you know 19· other than Janet Cooksey's name. 20· · · · A.· · So I don't typically follow the media 21· with things of this nature because just because the 22· media puts it out there doesn't mean it's factual. 23· · · · Q.· · All right.· Well, do you have any sense 24· factually of what happened here based on what you Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 38 ·1· learned in the media? ·2· · · · A.· · No. ·3· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Do you agree that instances of ·4· police misconduct exist? ·5· · · · A.· · What I believe is that any organization ·6· will have issues of misconduct or just violations ·7· of policy. ·8· · · · Q.· · Including the CPD? ·9· · · · A.· · Including the CPD. 10· · · · Q.· · Have you heard of the term "code of 11· silence"? 12· · · · A.· · I've heard of it, yes. 13· · · · Q.· · Do you agree that one aspect of the code 14· is for the police department to not meaningfully 15· investigate alleged police misconduct? 16· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm going to object to the 17· form of that question.· Generally any code of 18· silence?· Form. 19· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Answer it if you can. 20· · · · THE WITNESS:· So what I would say to you is 21· this:· I've been a cop now for about 30 years. 22· I've never heard police officers talking about, in 23· my experience, code of silence.· In my experience, 24· I don't know of any police officers being trained Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 39 ·1· on code of silence. ·2· · · · · · · · ·What I can tell you is this:· In my ·3· police career, I became a supervisor in 1998, I ·4· have held police officers accountable for egregious ·5· behavior all the way from counseling them up to ·6· separation from the job.· So I believe that if ·7· there is misconduct that occurs, then we are ·8· accountable for it and we should be held accountable ·9· for it. 10· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 11· · · · Q.· · Okay.· What I asked you is if you would 12· agree that one aspect of a code of silence is for a 13· police department to not investigate alleged police 14· misconduct? 15· · · · A.· · Again, in my personal experience, I'm 16· not sure what code of silence means. 17· · · · Q.· · Thin blue line. 18· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Same objection; vague, form. 19· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Hold up for one second.· So 20· that was a statement, thin blue line.· Does a 21· question go with that statement that he can answer? 22· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Fine. 23· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 24· · · · Q.· · Thin blue line as opposed to code of Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 40 ·1· silence, have you heard of the term "thin blue ·2· line"? ·3· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Hold on one second.· That's ·4· still a statement. ·5· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·6· · · · Q.· · Have you -·7· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Ask him a question. ·8· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·9· · · · Q.· · Have you heard of the term "thin blue 10· line"? 11· · · · A.· · Yes. 12· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So all I'm asking about is 13· you've heard of these terms, you're familiar with 14· these terms, right, code of silence, thin blue 15· line? 16· · · · A.· · I've heard of thin blue line used in 17· the context of there's a thin blue line between 18· criminals and the citizens. 19· · · · Q.· · Well, I'm asking something very simple 20· here.· Is it improper for a police department to 21· not investigate alleged police misconduct? 22· · · · A.· · Yes. 23· · · · Q.· · Is it improper for a police department 24· to not discipline alleged police misconduct? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 41 ·1· · · · A.· · It's improper for police departments ·2· not to discipline if it's been found to be ·3· misconduct, but not alleged misconduct. ·4· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Thank you for that. ·5· · · · · · · · ·Do you think it's improper for ·6· police officers to cover for one another when ·7· there is wrongdoing involved? ·8· · · · A.· · When you say "cover," what do you mean ·9· by that? 10· · · · Q.· · Protect.· Lie. 11· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Still object to vague, form. 12· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Hold on one second.· There's 13· three questions there which are to protect, covering 14· up, or a lie.· So I think the question is asking is 15· it wrong for police officers to lie to try and 16· protect another officer involving investigation 17· into their conduct and/or misconduct.· Is that 18· about right, Counsel? 19· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· That is, Judge.· Thank you. 20· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Can you answer that question? 21· · · · THE WITNESS:· Yes, it would be improper for a 22· police officer to lie, to cover up, or protect a 23· police officer from misconduct that they're aware of. 24 Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 42 ·1· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·2· · · · Q.· · Would you agree that it would be ·3· improper for one police officer to counsel another ·4· police officer to get his story straight before ·5· speaking to an investigator? ·6· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm just going to object to ·7· form again, "story straight." ·8· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· You can answer it if you can. ·9· · · · THE WITNESS:· If you're -- if you're speaking 10· in the context of story straight in that they're 11· going to lie for the other officer, then, yeah, 12· that's not -- that's improper. 13· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 14· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Because it would imply some type 15· of a coverup? 16· · · · A.· · It would imply that they're trying to 17· be deceptive or deceitful. 18· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Would you agree that it would be 19· improper for a police officer to claim that he or 20· she did not see or hear something that should have 21· been seen or heard? 22· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Objection to form, incomplete 23· hypothetical, and calling for speculation. 24· · · · THE WITNESS:· You would have to be in an Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 43 ·1· officer's shoes to be able to speak on what they ·2· did or did not see. ·3· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·4· · · · Q.· · Well, would you agree that if a ·5· particular officer did see something or hear ·6· something and then claimed not to have seen or ·7· heard it that that would be improper? ·8· · · · A.· · Yes, that would be improper. ·9· · · · Q.· · Are you aware that the police 10· accountability task force in April of 2016 found 11· that in the years ending in 2015 complaints against 12· police officers and the CPD went uninvestigated? 13· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm going to object to beyond 14· the scope of the allowable topics for this 15· deposition.· This was not covered -16· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Yeah.· I'm not sure what this 17· has -18· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· It's the code of silence, 19· Judge. 20· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· What is the code of silence 21· that invest- -- that complaints didn't go 22· investigated? 23· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· That's right. 24· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Prior to this incident. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 44 ·1· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· This is in 2015.· I asked about ·2· 2015. ·3· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· So the complaint is that, for ·4· example, if there is an officer banging on my ·5· garbage cans at 3:00 in the morning, are they -·6· what kind of investigation are we talking about? ·7· What kind of complaints?· Does anybody have any ·8· idea? ·9· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· The police accountability task 10· force talked about -- specifically about excessive 11· force complaints as well as other complaints, yes. 12· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· So let's not go with other 13· incidents because we don't know what the other 14· incidents are.· You can ask -- well, first of all, 15· I guess the question is is he aware of that study. 16· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· I think he -17· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Why don't you ask him that 18· question? 19· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 20· · · · Q.· · I think you said that it was April 13th 21· that you became superintendent? 22· · · · A.· · No.· It was April of -23· · · · Q.· · April 13th -24· · · · A.· · I was sworn in as police superintendent Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 45 ·1· April of 2016. ·2· · · · Q.· · I meant April 13th, 2016 is the date ·3· you gave us, right? ·4· · · · A.· · April 13th? ·5· · · · Q.· · Yes. ·6· · · · A.· · Yes.· Of 2016, yes. ·7· · · · Q.· · Right.· Okay. ·8· · · · · · · · ·The police accountability task force ·9· report came out in April of 2016, and there was an 10· executive summary provided to the CPD; is that 11· right? 12· · · · A.· · Yes. 13· · · · Q.· · And that was while you were the 14· superintendent, right? 15· · · · A.· · Yes. 16· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And the police accountability 17· task force report documented certain aspects of the 18· organizational structure of the police department, 19· right? 20· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· If you know. 21· · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't recall the specifics of 22· that document now.· I did read it, but broadly. I 23· have a broad recollection of it, but the specifics 24· I really can't comment on. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 46 ·1· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·2· · · · Q.· · Does your broad recollection include ·3· that the task force found that in the calendar year ·4· 2015 as well as other preceding years complaints of ·5· excessive force were not investigated properly by ·6· the CPD? ·7· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Object to foundation and ·8· calling for speculation. ·9· · · · · · · · ·If you know. 10· · · · THE WITNESS:· No, I don't -- I don't recall 11· that. 12· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 13· · · · Q.· · Do you agree with that statement? 14· · · · A.· · That? 15· · · · Q.· · Instances of excessive force in the 16· calendar year 2015 went uninvestigated by the CPD. 17· · · · A.· · I have not personally investigated 18· that.· So, I mean, I couldn't speak on whether I 19· agree or not. 20· · · · Q.· · Does that mean you don't know? 21· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm going to object to 22· mischaracterizing, lack of foundation.· What's 23· the question? 24 Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 47 ·1· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·2· · · · Q.· · Does that mean you don't know? ·3· · · · A.· · Know what? ·4· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Could you please read the ·5· previous question and answer, please? ·6· · · · · · · · · · · (Record read.) ·7· · · · THE WITNESS:· No, I don't know that ·8· investigations went -- or complaints of excessive ·9· force went uninvestigated.· Not to my knowledge. 10· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 11· · · · Q.· · So to your knowledge, they were all 12· investigated properly? 13· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Objection to "all."· Lack of 14· foundation, calling for speculation, and overbroad. 15· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· And what is properly?· So if 16· you want to ask him a question if he knows if they 17· were all investigated. 18· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 19· · · · Q.· · As part of your job as superintendent, 20· is it to oversee complaints of misconduct and how 21· they're handled by the department? 22· · · · A.· · No.· That would be the job of the chief 23· of internal affairs. 24· · · · Q.· · Does the chief of internal affairs Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 48 ·1· provide you report in that regard? ·2· · · · A.· · Occasionally. ·3· · · · Q.· · Is that something that as a ·4· superintendent you feel you should know about? ·5· · · · A.· · What? ·6· · · · Q.· · Whether police department misconduct ·7· complaints are being investigated. ·8· · · · A.· · Yes. ·9· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And in having spoken to your 10· chief of internal affairs, have you inquired as to 11· whether complaints of excessive force are being 12· properly investigated by the CPD? 13· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Object to form.· In 2015? 14· The task force?· It's much broader now. 15· · · · · · · · ·Only answer if you understand the 16· exact question. 17· · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't -- I'm not understanding 18· what you're asking me. 19· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 20· · · · Q.· · Have you -- have you ever specifically 21· asked your chief of internal affairs about how 22· complaints of misconduct -- complaints of excessive 23· force are being investigated by your police 24· department? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 49 ·1· · · · A.· · Yes. ·2· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And what have you learned from ·3· your chief of internal affairs when you've asked ·4· that question? ·5· · · · A.· · That complaints of excessive force are ·6· actually handled by IPRA/COPA now. ·7· · · · Q.· · Okay. ·8· · · · A.· · So CPD really don't -- we really don't ·9· investigate excessive force or abuse; that civilian 10· agency does that. 11· · · · Q.· · Okay.· You leave that investigation 12· entirely up to COPA? 13· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm going to object to the 14· form of that question, him leaving it up to. 15· · · · THE WITNESS:· That's the process that's in 16· place. 17· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 18· · · · Q.· · And is that what you do, you follow 19· that process? 20· · · · A.· · That process was in place before I 21· became superintendent, and I believe it's a city 22· ordinance. 23· · · · Q.· · Is there anything prohibiting you as a 24· superintendent from initiating your own separate Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 50 ·1· investigation if there's an alleged excessive force ·2· incident? ·3· · · · A.· · Yes.· All excessive force is ·4· investigated by COPA.· So that is an independent ·5· investigation. ·6· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And you rely on their expertise? ·7· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'll object to that ·8· characterization. ·9· · · · · · · · ·You can answer if you understand 10· the question. 11· · · · THE WITNESS:· Well, that's the process that's 12· in place. 13· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 14· · · · Q.· · Do you rely on their expertise? 15· · · · A.· · I rely on them to conduct the 16· investigation. 17· · · · Q.· · Do you think they have an expertise 18· in this instance? 19· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Objection; foundation. 20· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· What -- which instance? 21· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· That they have an expertise 22· regarding investigating uses of force. 23· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm going to object to 24· foundation and incomplete hypothetical. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 51 ·1· · · · · · · · ·You can answer if you can. ·2· · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't know how COPA's ·3· employees are trained, so I can't really comment ·4· on their expertise or not. ·5· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·6· · · · Q.· · Have you ever inquired as to how ·7· they're trained? ·8· · · · A.· · No. ·9· · · · Q.· · All right.· So in January of 2017, 10· you're aware that the Department of Justice came 11· down with a report regarding their investigation 12· of the CPD? 13· · · · A.· · Regarding their investigation? 14· · · · Q.· · Right. 15· · · · A.· · Yes. 16· · · · Q.· · And you received that report? 17· · · · A.· · Yes. 18· · · · Q.· · And that report included information 19· that they learned about what happened in the 20· calendar year of 2015? 21· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Foundation.· Calls for 22· speculation. 23· · · · · · · · ·Only if you know. 24· · · · THE WITNESS:· It covered several years. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 ·1· I don't specifically recall the years now. Page 52 I ·2· would need to review the re- -- the document again. ·3· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·4· · · · Q.· · Well, do you recall that in that report ·5· the DOJ found that complaints of excessive force in ·6· the calendar year 2015 were not investigated ·7· adequately by the CPD? ·8· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm going to object again to ·9· going way beyond the scope of what should be asked 10· in this deposition. 11· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· And let me ask this question. 12· Excessive force was investigated by who? 13· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· The Department of Justice. 14· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· No, no.· But in the police 15· department, they're investigated by internal 16· affairs and COPA? 17· · · · THE WITNESS:· No. 18· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Who are they investigated by, 19· sir? 20· · · · THE WITNESS:· It would -- it would have been 21· IPRA back then.· Excessive force would have been 22· investigated by IPRA.· Now it's COPA. 23· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Okay. 24· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Judge, I'm asking him if he's Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 53 ·1· aware that the DOJ investigated the CPD's ·2· disciplinary and investigation procedures and their ·3· specific findings that in 2015 as well as in other ·4· years the CPD neither meaningfully disciplined or ·5· meaningfully investigated allegations -·6· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Judge -·7· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· -- of excessive force.· That ·8· goes to the code of silence. ·9· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· He is being called as a fact 10· witness in this case. 11· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Here's the problem as I see 12· it with the questioning because the officer has 13· testified that the police don't investigate those 14· allegations, it's investigated by IPRA.· Is that 15· correct? 16· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Yes. 17· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· So if he can answer the 18· question, then you answer the question, sir. 19· But I just wanted to understand who. 20· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 21· · · · Q.· · Fine. 22· · · · · · · · ·Just to be clear for the record 23· then, the CPD does not investigate alleged 24· instances of excessive force; is that correct? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 54 ·1· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Objection as to lack of ·2· timeframe. ·3· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·4· · · · Q.· · Presently.· Is that correct? ·5· · · · A.· · Correct. ·6· · · · Q.· · In 2015 that was also correct? ·7· · · · A.· · To the best of my recollection, yes. ·8· · · · Q.· · And in 2016 and '17 that was also ·9· correct? 10· · · · A.· · To the best of my recollection, yes. 11· · · · Q.· · Are you aware that the medical 12· examiner's office per statute is to be notified of 13· deaths so they can come to the scene to take charge 14· of the scene? 15· · · · A.· · I know that they are supposed to have -16· they're supposed to be notified, yes. 17· · · · Q.· · They're supposed to be notified by the 18· street deputy? 19· · · · A.· · Who actually makes that notification, 20· I believe it's OEMC, I believe, to the best of my 21· recollection. 22· · · · Q.· · All right.· In this particular case, 23· sir, are you aware that the medical examiner's 24· office was not notified that this was a police- Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 55 ·1· involved shooting? ·2· · · · A.· · No. ·3· · · · Q.· · Have you asked anybody to investigate ·4· why the medical examiner's office was not so ·5· notified? ·6· · · · A.· · No. ·7· · · · Q.· · I didn't -- I didn't hear the answer. ·8· · · · A.· · No. ·9· · · · Q.· · Why not? 10· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Well, do you know about it? 11· · · · THE WITNESS:· COPA is responsible for the 12· investigation, not CPD.· So I wouldn't be -- I 13· wouldn't have knowledge of that. 14· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 15· · · · Q.· · So if there's going to be any 16· investigation into the failure to notify the 17· medical examiner's office, that would be entirely 18· up to COPA to investigate? 19· · · · A.· · That would be part of their 20· investigation, yes. 21· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Can COPA investigate any police 22· officer of the CPD including up to you? 23· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Objection; foundation. 24· · · · · · · · ·If you know. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 56 ·1· · · · THE WITNESS:· It has to fall within the scope ·2· of their authority, which is excessive force.· So ·3· if I was involved in an excessive force incident, ·4· then, yes, they would investigate me. ·5· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·6· · · · Q.· · So then if their job is to investigate ·7· excessive force, how is not notifying the medical ·8· examiner fall within their purview? ·9· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Object to form, compound. 10· · · · · · · · ·You can answer. 11· · · · THE WITNESS:· How does it not fall in their 12· purview? 13· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 14· · · · Q.· · How does it fall? 15· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Are you talking about the 16· instant case? 17· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Yes. 18· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· All right.· Well, that's a 19· different question. 20· · · · · · · · ·You can answer. 21· · · · THE WITNESS:· The investigation -- that would 22· come out during that investigation.· So if they 23· wanted to notify us about that particular incident, 24· then they could.· And then if they did, then we Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 57 ·1· would proceed with investigating it. ·2· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·3· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And who would be investigating ·4· it at that point if you were so notified? ·5· · · · A.· · If we took that aspect of it, internal ·6· affairs would investigate it. ·7· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Has there been a referral to ·8· internal affairs to look into that in this ·9· instance? 10· · · · A.· · Not that I'm aware of. 11· · · · Q.· · You've never asked anybody to look into 12· that? 13· · · · A.· · Again, I don't know what the 14· investigation entails to this point.· COPA 15· was responsible for the investigation. 16· · · · Q.· · Okay.· I'm just going to ask you 17· straight out.· Has there ever been a code of 18· silence in the Chicago Police Department? 19· · · · A.· · Again, in my personal experience, I've 20· never heard an officer talk about code of silence. 21· I don't know of anyone being trained on a code of 22· silence.· That's in my personal experience. 23· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And is that your position as the 24· superintendent of the Chicago Police Department? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 58 ·1· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm just going to object to ·2· beyond the scope of this deposition. ·3· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· No, it is not.· It's one part ·4· of it.· He can answer that question. ·5· · · · THE WITNESS:· So can you repeat that, please? ·6· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·7· · · · Q.· · Is it your position as the superintendent ·8· of the Chicago Police Department that a code of ·9· silence has never existed in the Chicago Police 10· Department? 11· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· One second.· Hold on.· I'm 12· going to stop it right there.· The Chicago Police 13· Department was probably established in the 1800s. 14· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Exactly. 15· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· No, no.· It's okay.· There's 16· nothing funny about it.· So if you want to ask 17· about a time period, limit it. 18· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· You're right. 19· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· So, I mean, you don't look 20· that old.· I don't think you were born in the 21· 1800s, so ... 22· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· You're right. 23· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· And I'm still going to object 24· to foundation because he cannot possibly speak for Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 59 ·1· every single police officer. ·2· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Well, it's his position, and ·3· he's not asking him to speak for every police ·4· officer. ·5· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· His opinion. ·6· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Well, let's ask the question ·7· first as well as get the timeframe on this. ·8· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·9· · · · Q.· · All right.· So I know the CPD was 10· established in 1835, so I'm not going to ask going 11· that far back.· I'm going to ask about just your 12· time as the bureau of patrol chief and superintendent. 13· Fair enough? 14· · · · A.· · Yes. 15· · · · Q.· · Okay.· When you were the bureau of 16· patrol chief, which is December of 2015 to the end 17· of March of 2016 -- that's the timeframe, right? 18· · · · A.· · Yes. 19· · · · Q.· · Okay.· In that position, did you know 20· of any code of silence in the Chicago Police 21· Department? 22· · · · A.· · My personal knowledge is no. 23· · · · Q.· · Was it ever brought to your attention 24· that there may have been a code of silence in the Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 60 ·1· CPD while you were the chief of the bureau of ·2· patrol? ·3· · · · A.· · No. ·4· · · · Q.· · While you were the chief of the bureau ·5· of patrol, did you not hear Mayor Emmanuel's speech ·6· to the City Council admitting that there was a code ·7· of silence in the CPD? ·8· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'll object to that ·9· characterization. 10· · · · · · · · ·You can answer to the extent you're 11· knowledgeable about this. 12· · · · THE WITNESS:· Yes, I heard about it. 13· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 14· · · · Q.· · Did you disagree with that at the time 15· that you heard it? 16· · · · A.· · Again, my personal experience is that 17· I've never seen or witnessed that.· I can't speak 18· to why the mayor made that comment. 19· · · · Q.· · But did you disagree with that comment? 20· · · · A.· · Again, my personal experience is that, 21· no, I have never witnessed it or heard any police 22· officers talking about code of silence. 23· · · · Q.· · Is that a yes, that you did disagree 24· with the mayor when he said that? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 61 ·1· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Objection; asked and ·2· answered.· He already gave his answer. ·3· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· It has not been answered. ·4· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Do you agree or disagree with ·5· the mayor's statement?· If he knows what it was. ·6· · · · THE WITNESS:· I have no opinion about what ·7· the mayor said.· The mayor was speaking from what ·8· his experience is.· So I really have no opinion ·9· about what the mayor said. 10· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· We'd like to take a break, 11· please. 12· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· No.· Let's finish this before 13· we take a break. 14· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Finish the deposition? 15· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· How much longer is it going to 16· go? 17· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Quite a while, Judge. 18· · · · MS. GARRET:· The superintendent needs a water 19· break. 20· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· I'd like to finish the code of 21· silence question. 22· · · · MR. KENNEDY:· Four more questions. 23· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Two to three questions, then 24· you're done. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 62 ·1· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·2· · · · Q.· · Were you surprised to hear the mayor in ·3· December of 2015 while you were the chief of the ·4· bureau of patrol state that there was a code of ·5· silence in the CPD? ·6· · · · A.· · Personally I really had no -- no ·7· visceral reaction to it at all. ·8· · · · Q.· · Since you've been the superintendent of ·9· the CPD, as the superintendent, are you aware of 10· any sort of code of silence that exists in the CPD? 11· · · · A.· · Again, my personal experience, I have 12· not ever heard anyone talking about code of 13· silence, trained on the code of silence, or even 14· saying that they would participate in a code of 15· silence. 16· · · · · · · · ·Again, my whole experience on CPD 17· is if I personally knew of some misconduct or 18· egregious behavior, I held officers accountable for 19· it. 20· · · · Q.· · And when I'm talking about code of 21· silence, so we're talking definitionally the same 22· thing, I'm talking about behavior in which one 23· police officer or a group of police officers 24· protects another police officer from the Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 63 ·1· consequences of misconduct.· Do you understand ·2· my definition? ·3· · · · A.· · Yes. ·4· · · · Q.· · Under that definition, do any of your ·5· answers change with respect to the code of silence ·6· questions? ·7· · · · A.· · No. ·8· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Okay.· If you'd like to take a ·9· break, this would be a good time. 10· · · · THE VIDEO TECHNICIAN:· We are now going off 11· the record at 2:02 p.m. 12· · · · · · · · · · · (Recess taken.) 13· · · · THE VIDEO TECHNICIAN:· The time is 2:12 p.m. 14· We are now back on the record. 15· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 16· · · · Q.· · Ready? 17· · · · A.· · Yes. 18· · · · Q.· · Okay.· I'm going to switch focus here. 19· I'm going to talk about this actual investigation. 20· Fair enough? 21· · · · A.· · Yes. 22· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Right off the bat, did you ever 23· go to the scene of this incident before it was 24· processed by the evidence technicians? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 64 ·1· · · · A.· · No. ·2· · · · Q.· · Were you ever there while it was being ·3· processed by the evidence technicians? ·4· · · · A.· · No. ·5· · · · Q.· · As the chief of patrol at the time of ·6· this incident, were you made aware that this had ·7· happened? ·8· · · · A.· · Yes. ·9· · · · Q.· · On that night were you aware that there 10· was a preceding police-involved shooting in the 11· 11th District at Congress and Independence? 12· · · · A.· · Yes. 13· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So at the time you knew that 14· this was the second police-involved shooting in 15· the span of about two hours, right? 16· · · · A.· · Yes. 17· · · · Q.· · Both in the 11th District? 18· · · · A.· · To the best of my recollection, yes. 19· · · · Q.· · Having learned that, did you believe 20· that the 11th District may have had a manpower 21· shortage issue as a result of the first police22· involved shooting? 23· · · · A.· · No. 24· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Did you ever try to put more Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 65 ·1· officers in the 11th District because of the first ·2· involved shooting in case they were tied down? ·3· · · · A.· · No. ·4· · · · Q.· · Okay.· After the second involved ·5· shooting with 11th District officers being tied ·6· down at two separate police-involved shootings, as ·7· the chief of patrol, did you do anything to try to ·8· put more officers in the 11th District because of a ·9· manpower shortage? 10· · · · A.· · Not that I recall.· The deputy chief of 11· Area North would have been on the ground, and if he 12· needed some assistance from me, he would have made 13· that notification to me. 14· · · · Q.· · I understand that there are certain 15· notifications that have to be made every time 16· there's a police-involved shooting.· Is my 17· understanding correct? 18· · · · A.· · Yes. 19· · · · Q.· · When there is a patrol officer in the 20· bureau of patrol that is involved in a police21· involved shooting, is the chief of the patrol 22· division one of the people that has to be notified? 23· · · · A.· · Yes. 24· · · · Q.· · How soon after a police-involved Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 66 ·1· shooting is the bureau of patrol chief supposed to ·2· be notified?· And I'm talking back in December of ·3· 2015. ·4· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm going to object to ·5· incomplete hypothetical situation. ·6· · · · THE WITNESS:· As soon as -- as soon as they ·7· can. ·8· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·9· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Certainly within an hour -10· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Objection. 11· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 12· · · · Q.· · -- is that fair? 13· · · · A.· · I would think so. 14· · · · Q.· · In this particular instance, did you 15· know about this police-involved shooting in your 16· capacity of the chief of patrol within an hour of 17· when it happened? 18· · · · A.· · I don't recall specifically when I was 19· notified.· I do know that I was notified. 20· · · · Q.· · Was it within a few hours of 21· notification? 22· · · · A.· · I'm sure -23· · · · Q.· · Or happening, rather. 24· · · · A.· · -- but I can't specifically say the Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 67 ·1· timeframe.· But I was notified. ·2· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Who notified you?· Was it OCIC? ·3· · · · A.· · I don't recall who it was.· But to the ·4· best of my recollection, probably CPIC notified me. ·5· · · · Q.· · And for the record, could you explain ·6· for us what CPIC is?· And I know it's an acronym. ·7· · · · A.· · Yes.· CPIC is our fusion center that ·8· all the events that happen around the city is ·9· phoned in to that particular unit, and then they 10· push it out to everyone else. 11· · · · Q.· · Okay.· What did you learn from CPIC in 12· connection with this incident when you learned 13· about it? 14· · · · A.· · They would just give you a broad view 15· that there was a police officer-involved shooting. 16· They would give you the location, the time, and if 17· there were any injuries. 18· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Did you learn from CPIC that 19· there were two people that had died? 20· · · · A.· · No.· CPIC would have told me that 21· there were two people shot perhaps, but no death 22· notification would have been made. 23· · · · Q.· · Okay.· When you learned from CPIC that 24· this was a police-involved shooting, this one, Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 68 ·1· what's the first thing you did in relation to that ·2· information? ·3· · · · A.· · I don't specifically remember what I ·4· did regarding that particular night.· But as chief ·5· of patrol, I would have probably reached out to the ·6· Area North deputy chief to get further information ·7· on it. ·8· · · · Q.· · That would have been Kevin Duffin? ·9· · · · A.· · No.· The way that it works in the 10· police department, the bureau of detectives are 11· responsible for the investigation.· Duffin would 12· have been the commander in the detective division. 13· The bureau of patrol, we have no investigative 14· responsibility at all.· So they would have just 15· been notifying me because the officers involved 16· were in the bureau of patrol. 17· · · · Q.· · I understand.· So what would you have 18· been doing in contacting the bureau of detectives? 19· What was the purpose of that? 20· · · · A.· · I probably wouldn't have contacted the 21· bureau of detectives.· I may have called the deputy 22· chief in bureau of patrol. 23· · · · Q.· · Oh, I misunderstood.· Okay. 24· · · · · · · · ·Who would that person have been? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 69 ·1· · · · A.· · You mean the night of that -·2· · · · Q.· · Yes. ·3· · · · A.· · -- particular shooting? ·4· · · · Q.· · And I apologize.· I spoke over you. ·5· · · · A.· · I don't recall who the deputy of Area ·6· North was at the time.· I really -- I really don't ·7· recall. ·8· · · · Q.· · Right.· That's why I got confused ·9· because when I think about Areas, I typically 10· think of Areas for detectives. 11· · · · A.· · For detectives, um-hmm. 12· · · · Q.· · Okay.· You were talking about the Area 13· North deputy chief. 14· · · · A.· · For patrol. 15· · · · Q.· · Right. 16· · · · A.· · Right. 17· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Why were you calling the deputy 18· chief of Area North of patrol once you learned 19· about the shooting from CPIC? 20· · · · A.· · I don't know if I did call that person. 21· But if I did, that's who I would have called just 22· to get further information. 23· · · · Q.· · Okay.· To give any direction perhaps? 24· · · · A.· · No.· Typically the commanders out on Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 70 ·1· the field assess the situation.· If they need ·2· support from the chief of patrol, then they would ·3· ask me for it.· But I don't direct them because I'm ·4· not actually at the scene. ·5· · · · Q.· · Understood. ·6· · · · · · · · ·In connection with this particular ·7· shooting, or really shootings, that we're talking ·8· about, did anybody reach out to you as the chief of ·9· patrol asking for anything, whether it be resources 10· or anything else? 11· · · · A.· · Not to the best of my recollection, no. 12· · · · Q.· · Is there anything that can help you 13· remember whether that happened or not happened? 14· · · · A.· · If they needed some resources, they 15· really wouldn't have documented that anywhere.· It 16· would have just been an oral request. 17· · · · Q.· · So as you sit here today, there's 18· nothing that can help you remember whether there 19· was such a request made to you on that incident; is 20· that right? 21· · · · A.· · That's correct. 22· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So you learned about this from 23· CPIC.· Perhaps you called the deputy chief.· What's 24· the next thing you did in connection with this Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 71 ·1· incident? ·2· · · · A.· · Again, as the chief of patrol, we would ·3· have no investigative authority at all.· So there ·4· was really nothing for me to do. ·5· · · · Q.· · Did you follow up on it afterwards? ·6· · · · A.· · Again, we had no investigative ·7· responsibility, so no. ·8· · · · Q.· · Well, did you ever learn, say, within ·9· two days of this incident who the patrol officer or 10· patrol officers were that were involved? 11· · · · A.· · Yes, I did.· I don't remember if it was 12· two days or three days. 13· · · · Q.· · Was that at the shooting briefing 14· review? 15· · · · A.· · Yes. 16· · · · Q.· · Okay.· All right.· So let's see if we 17· can narrow the gap.· You get the call from CPIC. 18· Perhaps you talked to the deputy chief. 19· · · · · · · · ·Eventually you're involved in this 20· exempt review, right? 21· · · · A.· · Correct. 22· · · · Q.· · Okay.· In the meantime, from the time 23· that you first learned of this until the time that 24· you participated in this exempt review, what do you Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 72 ·1· remember doing in connection with this incident? ·2· And I know it's going to be compound.· Just to be ·3· comprehensive, what do you remember learning about ·4· this incident in that timeframe? ·5· · · · A.· · I had some conversation with then ·6· interim superintendent John Escalante regarding ·7· the incident. ·8· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And I'll get into more details ·9· about that.· But anything else that you did or 10· learned in that timeframe we're talking about? 11· · · · A.· · No.· Just that there were two people 12· subsequently died as a result of the shooting. 13· · · · Q.· · Okay.· All right.· So where did you 14· learn that two people died?· Was that from John 15· Escalante, or was it from some other source? 16· · · · A.· · I don't recall how I received that 17· information.· I just know that I did. 18· · · · Q.· · All right.· Would that have been in 19· some type of a paper form? 20· · · · A.· · No.· It would have been a telephonic 21· notification. 22· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Would that, again, have been 23· through CPIC or something different? 24· · · · A.· · It could have been.· I really don't Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 73 ·1· recall. ·2· · · · Q.· · All right.· And would you -- between ·3· the time of the notification from CPIC until the ·4· time of the exempt review, would you have authored ·5· any paperwork, digital or actual paperwork, ·6· regarding this particular incident as the chief of ·7· patrol? ·8· · · · A.· · No. ·9· · · · Q.· · Would any paperwork have come to you in 10· that interim period? 11· · · · A.· · No. 12· · · · Q.· · All right.· So was this conversation 13· with -- well, first of all, this communication, was 14· it a conversation, or is it an email or something 15· different with John Escalante? 16· · · · A.· · Phone conversation. 17· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And was this on your personal 18· cellphone, your work cellphone, or your landline? 19· · · · A.· · To the best of my recollection, it 20· would have been on the work cellphone. 21· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And tell me everything you 22· remember about this conversation.· I know it's -23· trying to make it go quicker, but what you remember 24· saying and what you remember John Escalante saying. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 74 ·1· · · · A.· · I remember us talking about the fact ·2· that at the time IPRA wanted John Escalante to ·3· relieve Police Officer Rialmo of his police powers. ·4· And at the time we didn't have enough facts in the ·5· interim superintendent's -- in his mind to actually ·6· relieve him, and that's when we decided for the ·7· first time with CPD to have a 30-day administrative ·8· leave policy implemented. ·9· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So the very first time the 3010· day leave policy was in response to this particular 11· incident? 12· · · · A.· · Yes. 13· · · · Q.· · And that was the policy that was 14· formulated in a conversation between you and 15· Interim Chief John Escalante? 16· · · · A.· · Well, he may have had some conversations 17· with other people.· I don't know.· I just remember 18· the conversations we had.· And he asked me if I 19· thought that was a good idea, and I agreed. 20· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Did Mr. Escalante tell you who 21· it was from IPRA that wanted -- and I don't know 22· what the proper characterization is.· Is it 23· stripping him of his -24· · · · A.· · Relief -- relief of police powers. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 75 ·1· · · · Q.· · Relief of police powers.· Okay. ·2· · · · · · · · ·Did Mr. Escalante tell you who ·3· wanted to relieve Mr. Rialmo of his police powers? ·4· · · · A.· · Yes. ·5· · · · Q.· · Was it Sharon Fairley? ·6· · · · A.· · Yes. ·7· · · · Q.· · Did you ever see the memo that she ·8· wrote in that regard? ·9· · · · A.· · No. 10· · · · Q.· · Did Mr. Escalante tell you that he had 11· read the memo that Ms. Fairley wrote in that regard? 12· · · · A.· · No. 13· · · · Q.· · And what was your position regarding 14· Ms. Fairley's request that Rialmo be stripped of -15· or, rather, relieved of his police powers on that 16· date? 17· · · · A.· · Given the information that John 18· Escalante related to me, I agreed with him that 19· relief of his police powers at that time was 20· premature until the investigation was -- had 21· evolved a little bit more. 22· · · · Q.· · Okay.· What was the information that he 23· conveyed to you that made you take that position? 24· · · · A.· · We still didn't know all the facts of Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 76 ·1· what actually had occurred.· It was just too -- too ·2· soon in the investigation. ·3· · · · Q.· · What facts did you know at that point ·4· in time when you spoke to Mr. Escalante on the ·5· phone? ·6· · · · A.· · We knew that Officer Rialmo and his ·7· partner responded to a domestic disturbance, he had ·8· an encounter with a young man, shots were fired, ·9· and two people died as a result of it. 10· · · · Q.· · Do you have any idea where Mr. Escalante 11· got his information? 12· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Calls for speculation. 13· · · · · · · · ·You can answer if you know. 14· · · · THE WITNESS:· No, I don't know. 15· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 16· · · · Q.· · Did you ever ask him where he got his 17· information? 18· · · · A.· · No.· I wasn't going to question the 19· superintendent. 20· · · · Q.· · Understood. 21· · · · · · · · ·Between that conversation and the 22· exempt review process, did you of your own 23· initiative as chief of patrol try to gather more 24· information about what had happened? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 77 ·1· · · · A.· · No.· Again, the investigative portion ·2· of it doesn't fall within the purview of the bureau ·3· of patrol. ·4· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Any other reason why you didn't ·5· do it other than the fact that it didn't fall ·6· within your jurisdictional duties? ·7· · · · A.· · No.· That -- that -- my -- you know, we ·8· have a strict protocol.· We have bureaus set up for ·9· that reason.· So I stay in my lane.· That's the 10· detective division's responsibility, and I leave it 11· at that. 12· · · · Q.· · Okay.· What else was discussed during 13· this phone conversation with Mr. Escalante other 14· than what you've told us so far, if anything? 15· · · · A.· · To the best of my recollection, that 16· was about the gist of the conversation. 17· · · · Q.· · This 30-day administrative -- is it -18· how would you characterize -- administrative leave, 19· or how is it characterized? 20· · · · A.· · So it's administrative desk duty.· So 21· we remove the officer from the street, and we keep 22· him inside so that they don't have any contact with 23· the public. 24· · · · Q.· · Would -- was this -- was this something Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 78 ·1· that Rialmo was supposed to go into the very next ·2· time he was slated to go on duty, or was there also ·3· a leave time that he was to stay away from the ·4· police department as well? ·5· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Object to the form of the ·6· question. ·7· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·8· · · · Q.· · Yeah, it's very poorly phrased.· Let ·9· me -- let me ask it differently. 10· · · · · · · · ·Was there also a conversation about 11· giving him some sort of leave like people have like 12· under the Family Medical Leave Act because he was 13· involved in this, or was it just simply he just 14· goes straight to this 30-day administrative desk 15· duty? 16· · · · A.· · Not that I'm aware of.· But the 17· conversation that I had, we -- in any police18· involved shooting, we offer them support services, 19· you know, so that their mental well-being is 20· addressed as well as their physical well-being. 21· When they return from that is when the 30-day desk 22· duty would kick in. 23· · · · Q.· · I see.· Okay.· Do you know if 24· Mr. Rialmo took time for that, for that type Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 79 ·1· of support? ·2· · · · A.· · I'm not aware of it. ·3· · · · Q.· · Does that mean you don't know if it ·4· happened or it didn't happen? ·5· · · · A.· · I don't know.· I'm not aware of it. ·6· · · · Q.· · Okay.· The reason I ask is when ·7· sometimes people say "I'm not aware," that's kind ·8· of unclear.· That's why. ·9· · · · A.· · That's fine. 10· · · · Q.· · Okay.· All right.· Okay.· So any other 11· conversations that you had with Mr. Escalante 12· before this exempt review process? 13· · · · A.· · Not that I recall. 14· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And did you have any conversations 15· or communications with anybody else regarding this 16· particular incident before the exempt review 17· process? 18· · · · A.· · No.· Not that I recall. 19· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So what's the actual title of 20· this?· I know there used to be a roundtable way 21· back in the day. 22· · · · A.· · Yes. 23· · · · Q.· · This is not a roundtable? 24· · · · A.· · No. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 80 ·1· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Is this -- is it called a ·2· shooting brief, a shooting review?· What is it ·3· called? ·4· · · · A.· · A shooting briefing.· And we conduct ·5· it during the -- or after the EMM, which is the ·6· executive management meeting. ·7· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And I don't know what the ·8· executive management meeting is.· Could you explain ·9· what that is? 10· · · · A.· · Sure.· So that's when -- the executive 11· management meeting is held every Monday, Wednesday, 12· and Friday, and the superintendent would chair the 13· meeting.· All the chiefs -- the first deputy, all 14· the chiefs, and certain deputy chiefs would attend 15· that meeting. 16· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And so as part of the executive 17· class, I guess, you would have been -18· · · · A.· · Management meeting, yeah. 19· · · · Q.· · Okay.· You would have been there? 20· · · · A.· · As the chief of patrol, yes. 21· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So this particular shooting 22· happened, I believe -- well, it was the weekend. 23· So does that lead you to believe that this shooting 24· briefing would have happened on Monday? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 81 ·1· · · · A.· · Yes. ·2· · · · Q.· · Okay.· All right.· And explain for ·3· me generally how these shooting briefings are ·4· conducted.· And then I'm going to ask you how it ·5· was conducted in this instance so I have a flavor ·6· of what happens. ·7· · · · A.· · So typically after the business is ·8· discussed regarding the executive management ·9· meeting, if there was a shooting during that time10· frame, then we would do that.· That would be the 11· last business of that particular meeting. 12· · · · · · · · ·The street deputy that handled the 13· actual incident would present what occurred at that 14· shooting.· And basically we're trying to determine 15· if there were any tactical things that we should 16· address immediately or equipment malfunctions, 17· things of that nature. 18· · · · · · · · ·The meeting is not designed to rule 19· on whether or not the shooting itself was justified 20· or unjustified.· We never have any conversation of 21· that flavor.· It's just strictly to see if there 22· are any tactical issues or equipment issues that we 23· can address. 24· · · · Q.· · Well, in the past during the Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 82 ·1· roundtables, state's attorneys would be present as ·2· well as IPRA, or back then OPS, right? ·3· · · · A.· · Correct. ·4· · · · Q.· · And there actually would be a ·5· determination as to justification? ·6· · · · A.· · Yeah, I believe so. ·7· · · · Q.· · Do you know why that changed? ·8· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm going to object to beyond ·9· the scope and instruct him not to answer.· Well 10· beyond the scope of topics that were discussed. 11· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Read the question. 12· · · · · · · · · · · (Record read.) 13· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· How does that pertain to this 14· investigation, that something was changed at some 15· point? 16· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Well, I'd like to know why 17· they're not making a determination at this exempt 18· review after they're provided the facts as to 19· justifiability. 20· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· It has nothing to do with 21· this case. 22· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· As to whether it was justified? 23· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· No.· About why they changed 24· the process of which meetings happen when. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 83 ·1· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· The question is why the ·2· process was changed. ·3· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· I'll move on, Judge.· I'll move ·4· on. ·5· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Thank you. ·6· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· I'll withdraw the question. ·7· I'll move on. ·8· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·9· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So in this particular instance, 10· Melissa Staples, she presented this matter? 11· · · · A.· · To the best of my recollection. 12· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Where is this done?· Is this 13· some type of conference room? 14· · · · A.· · It's conducted in the superintendent's 15· conference room. 16· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Is there audio or visual 17· recording capability? 18· · · · A.· · There may be in that room, but we 19· typically don't videotape it or audio record it. 20· · · · Q.· · Okay.· During the regular EMM portion, 21· is there some type of a secretary taking down 22· what's happening and who's saying what? 23· · · · A.· · No. 24· · · · Q.· · Is anybody during the EMM portion Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 84 ·1· recording what's going on? ·2· · · · A.· · No. ·3· · · · Q.· · Okay.· During the shooting briefing ·4· portion, is anybody taking notes of what ·5· Ms. Staples is saying? ·6· · · · A.· · No. ·7· · · · Q.· · Why not? ·8· · · · A.· · I don't -·9· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Object to foundation, calling 10· for speculation. 11· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· If he knows, he can answer. 12· If he doesn't know, that's his answer. 13· · · · THE WITNESS:· Yeah.· I really don't -- can't 14· say why. 15· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 16· · · · Q.· · Did you take notes during Melissa 17· Staples' shooting briefing? 18· · · · A.· · No. 19· · · · Q.· · Why not? 20· · · · A.· · I didn't see a need to. 21· · · · Q.· · Why did you think there was no need to? 22· · · · A.· · Again, CPD is not responsible for the 23· investigation in terms of whether or not the 24· shooting is justified or unjustified. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 85 ·1· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Do you know where Melissa ·2· Staples got her information to provide to the ·3· other chiefs? ·4· · · · A.· · She was the street deputy at the scene ·5· that night. ·6· · · · Q.· · I understand.· But did she tell you ·7· where she got her information, meaning did she get ·8· it directly from the officers or secondhand? ·9· · · · A.· · No.· Not that I recall. 10· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Is there anything that can help 11· you remember whether Melissa Staples got her 12· information for this shooting review firsthand or 13· secondhand? 14· · · · A.· · Other than speaking to her personally, 15· I -- no. 16· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Are people permitted to take 17· notes during this shooting review? 18· · · · A.· · Honestly, the subject has never -19· never come up. 20· · · · Q.· · Have you ever seen anyone take notes 21· during the EMM meetings? 22· · · · A.· · No. 23· · · · Q.· · Have you ever seen anyone take notes 24· during any shooting briefing? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 86 ·1· · · · A.· · Say again. ·2· · · · Q.· · Have you ever seen anybody take any ·3· notes during any shooting briefing? ·4· · · · A.· · No.· Other than if there were equipment ·5· malfunctions or some tactical issues that needed to ·6· be addressed by, let's say, for instance, the ·7· training academy; something like that would ·8· probably be written down for follow-up.· But other ·9· than that, no. 10· · · · Q.· · Was there any -- was there any type of 11· blackboard or a whiteboard with markers to allow 12· Ms. Staples to give an idea of the layout of the 13· scene? 14· · · · A.· · Yes. 15· · · · Q.· · Did she do that here? 16· · · · A.· · I don't actually recall whether she did 17· or not. 18· · · · Q.· · Anything that can help you remember if 19· she did? 20· · · · A.· · Other than speaking to her personally, 21· no. 22· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Tell us to the best of your 23· recollection what Ms. Staples said during this 24· shooting review. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 87 ·1· · · · A.· · That was quite a while ago.· To the ·2· best of my recollection, the street deputy would ·3· simply lay out the geography of where the incident ·4· occurred.· If there was -- we have a screen, ·5· computer screen, large screen, and we can pull up a ·6· Google map of that particular location.· And she ·7· may point to different locations to describe to us ·8· where the officers were to the best of her ·9· knowledge or the people -- other people involved. 10· But other than that, no. 11· · · · Q.· · Are you telling us what happened or 12· what might have happened? 13· · · · A.· · She describes to us what she knows at 14· that particular time. 15· · · · Q.· · Right.· I'm not saying hypothetically 16· what she does.· I'm saying in this particular 17· instance, was there actually a Google map pulled up 18· with Ms. Staples pointing to various parts of that 19· map? 20· · · · A.· · I don't recall specifically, but 21· typically that's what occurs. 22· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Is there anything that you can 23· tell us in addition to what you've already told us 24· about what Ms. Staples said during the shooting Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 88 ·1· review? ·2· · · · A.· · No. ·3· · · · Q.· · How long did her recitation of this ·4· incident last? ·5· · · · A.· · To the best of my recollection, maybe ·6· ten minutes. ·7· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Did anybody have questions for ·8· her? ·9· · · · A.· · There may have been some questions, but 10· specifically I don't recall. 11· · · · Q.· · Did you have any questions for her? 12· · · · A.· · Not that I recall. 13· · · · Q.· · Anything that can help you remember 14· if you had questions for her during the shooting 15· review? 16· · · · A.· · Other than speaking to her personally, 17· no. 18· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Have we now exhausted your 19· memory with respect to the shooting review of 20· this incident? 21· · · · A.· · Yes. 22· · · · Q.· · Is there anything on this planet that 23· you think might help you remember more information 24· about this shooting review other than speaking to Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 89 ·1· Ms. Staples? ·2· · · · A.· · No. ·3· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Let's switch topics, sir.· I'm ·4· going to ask you about Rialmo's desk duty since we ·5· touched upon that a little bit earlier. ·6· · · · · · · · ·He was eventually placed on this 30·7· day administrative desk duty? ·8· · · · A.· · Yes. ·9· · · · Q.· · And it was extended indefinitely 10· afterwards? 11· · · · A.· · Yes. 12· · · · Q.· · Who was first person that extended 13· it indefinitely?· Was it you, or was it your 14· predecessor? 15· · · · A.· · It may have been my predecessor. 16· · · · Q.· · Okay.· During Ms. Staples' deposition, 17· we received an email, and she was on the chain from 18· Bill Looney.· You know who Bill Looney is, right? 19· · · · A.· · Yes. 20· · · · Q.· · So at the time he was the commander of 21· the 16th District? 22· · · · A.· · Correct. 23· · · · Q.· · What's his position now? 24· · · · A.· · He's still the commander of the 16th Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 90 ·1· District. ·2· · · · Q.· · And in an email to Ms. Staples, he ·3· indicated that he had been instructed by you to ·4· have both LaPalermo and Rialmo work administrative ·5· duties until -- quote, "until I hear from him."· Is ·6· it an accurate statement of what you had instructed ·7· him to do? ·8· · · · A.· · Yes.· I told him they were to remain ·9· on administrative duty until I told him that they 10· could be reassigned. 11· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So I want to ask you about -- I 12· want to unpack that a little bit. 13· · · · · · · · ·When did you first learn that either 14· LaPalermo or Rialmo wanted to get off desk duty? 15· Was it through a conversation or communication with 16· Mr. Looney, or was it some other way? 17· · · · A.· · It was some other -- I don't recall 18· exactly how I found that out, but I don't believe 19· it was through Commander Looney. 20· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Because the email that was 21· sent in this email chain from Mr. Looney was dated 22· April 14th at 5:48 p.m., which would have been the 23· day after you were given the permanent job by City 24· Council.· Is that date right? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 91 ·1· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm sorry.· Could you say the ·2· year? ·3· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·4· · · · Q.· · I'm sorry.· I must have misspoke. ·5· April 14th, 2016 was when this email was sent. ·6· That would have been the day after you became ·7· superintendent by way of the City Council; is ·8· that right? ·9· · · · A.· · Correct. 10· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So this information -- or this 11· communication you had about these two officers, was 12· it while you were interim, or was it one of the 13· very first things you did when the interim tag was 14· taken off? 15· · · · A.· · I don't recall specific dates. 16· · · · Q.· · Anything that can help you? 17· · · · A.· · I don't recall any documentation about 18· that. 19· · · · Q.· · Did you ever send any email in regard 20· to the administrative desk duty issue? 21· · · · A.· · Not that I recall.· I know I spoke to 22· Commander Looney -23· · · · Q.· · Okay. 24· · · · A.· · -- to let him know what my expectations Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 92 ·1· were. ·2· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And after you spoke to Commander ·3· Looney indicating that you wanted these two officers ·4· to stay on desk duty indefinitely, did you later ·5· learn that that had changed? ·6· · · · A.· · Yes. ·7· · · · Q.· · How did you learn that? ·8· · · · A.· · I don't recall the source of how I ·9· found out.· I just know it was brought to my 10· attention. 11· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And how -- can you give us the 12· approximate date of when it came to your attention? 13· Was it still summertime?· Was it the fall?· Was it 14· the winter? 15· · · · A.· · To the best of my recollection, I think 16· it was in the fall sometime. 17· · · · Q.· · And what was your immediate reaction 18· upon learning that Mr. Rialmo was no longer on desk 19· duty as you had expressly directed? 20· · · · A.· · I was upset because he shouldn't have 21· been out in the field.· He should have remained on 22· administrative duty until I said otherwise. 23· · · · Q.· · Why did you believe that he needed to 24· remain on administrative duty until you expressed Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 93 ·1· or directed otherwise? ·2· · · · A.· · Because the investigation was still in ·3· progress, and I did not want him back out on field ·4· duty. ·5· · · · Q.· · When you became superintendent in ·6· April 2016, were there other officers other than ·7· LaPalermo and Rialmo that were on 30-day desk duty ·8· because of a police-involved shooting? ·9· · · · A.· · To the best of my recollection, I'm not 10· sure.· There may have been. 11· · · · Q.· · Well, from April of 2016 to the 12· present, there have been other officers in that 13· position? 14· · · · A.· · Yes. 15· · · · Q.· · Those other officers, have you directed 16· that any of them be placed indefinitely on 17· administrative desk duty as you did with Rialmo and 18· LaPalermo? 19· · · · A.· · To the best of my recollection, I don't 20· believe so. 21· · · · Q.· · Okay.· All right.· So what was it about 22· this specific case that caused you to want these 23· two officers to stay on administrative desk duty 24· indefinitely? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 94 ·1· · · · A.· · Well, Rialmo in particular, again, the ·2· case, the investigative portion of the shooting ·3· itself was a concern to me as also his emotional ·4· well-being was a concern to me. ·5· · · · Q.· · Why was the shooting itself a concern ·6· to you? ·7· · · · A.· · Just the facts of the shooting that I ·8· knew at the time. ·9· · · · Q.· · What did you know at the time that you 10· decided that you wanted Rialmo to be on indefinite 11· desk duty? 12· · · · A.· · Well, again -13· · · · Q.· · Was it any different than what you had 14· learned at the shooting review? 15· · · · A.· · No. 16· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And did you learn that 17· Mr. Rialmo had been placed on bike patrol? 18· · · · A.· · I learned that he was -- he had been 19· placed in summer mobile.· So I'm not sure if he was 20· on bike or in a squad car. 21· · · · Q.· · Okay.· I misspoke.· I apologize. 22· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Give me one second.· I'm going 23· to be back in five minutes.· I'm available by phone 24· if you need me in five minutes, but I'll be back Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 95 ·1· right after that.· Okay? ·2· · · · · · · · ·What areas are left?· We're through ·3· with this?· And then -- this is the investigation, ·4· and then it's the COPA; is that right? ·5· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Communications and COPA. ·6· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Communications, that's ·7· communications with? ·8· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· People involved in this case. ·9· · · · MR. KENNEDY:· Some of it's been covered 10· already, but -11· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Right. 12· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· All right.· Well, let's keep 13· it tight.· All right.· Thank you. 14· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 15· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So when you learned he was on 16· summer mobile, what did you do?· When you learned 17· that he was on summer mobile, what did you do? 18· · · · A.· · So I immediately made some calls. I 19· don't recall to who.· And I instructed probably the 20· chief of patrol to return him back to the 16th 21· District on administrative duty. 22· · · · Q.· · Did you then try to find out who placed 23· him on the summer mobile unit? 24· · · · A.· · Yes, I did. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 96 ·1· · · · Q.· · Did you find out who that was? ·2· · · · A.· · Yes, I did. ·3· · · · Q.· · Who was it? ·4· · · · A.· · Commander Bill Looney. ·5· · · · Q.· · And when you learned that Mr. Looney ·6· had placed him in summer mobile even though you ·7· expressly directed otherwise, did you do anything ·8· as a result? ·9· · · · A.· · Yes. 10· · · · Q.· · What did you do? 11· · · · A.· · I disciplined him. 12· · · · Q.· · How so? 13· · · · A.· · I had the chief of patrol initiate a 14· SPAR form, which is a form of discipline in the 15· Chicago Police Department. 16· · · · Q.· · Did you do anything else other than 17· initiate a SPAR? 18· · · · A.· · I had Rialmo placed back in the 16th 19· District. 20· · · · Q.· · I meant in terms of discipline for 21· Looney. 22· · · · A.· · No. 23· · · · Q.· · Okay.· A SPAR is expunged after a year? 24· · · · A.· · I'm not sure how long it lasts, but I Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 97 ·1· believe that's the -- it stays in your file for at ·2· least a year. ·3· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Other than an oral reprimand, it ·4· is the lowest form of punishment you can give to an ·5· officer; is that fair? ·6· · · · A.· · Yeah, that's fair. ·7· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So why did you choose a SPAR as ·8· opposed to something else? ·9· · · · A.· · Because in my opinion nothing egregious 10· happened while Rialmo was out on the street.· It 11· was a mistake on his part in that he was correct in 12· using reverse seniority to send officers out to 13· summer mobile; he was correct in that fashion. 14· However, I had given him oral instruction not to 15· move him. 16· · · · · · · · ·So technically he was within his 17· right to use reverse seniority, which is the lowest 18· officer in terms of seniority, to put them in 19· summer mobile if we don't have volunteers.· So he 20· was right in that aspect. 21· · · · · · · · ·But because I had instructed him 22· orally not to move him until he got an oral order 23· from me, that's what precipitated me disciplining 24· him. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 98 ·1· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Did -- do you know if Rialmo had ·2· ever been provided any sort of paperwork indicating ·3· that he was going to be staying on indefinite desk ·4· duty before he went to summer mobile? ·5· · · · A.· · No, I don't. ·6· · · · Q.· · Did you discipline Rialmo in any ·7· fashion for having been on summer mobile? ·8· · · · A.· · No. ·9· · · · Q.· · Why not? 10· · · · A.· · It wasn't his fault that he was on 11· there. 12· · · · Q.· · Officer LaPalermo, has he been on 13· administrative desk duty from December 27th, 2015 14· to the present? 15· · · · A.· · I'm not sure of his status right now. 16· · · · Q.· · Did you at some point lift the 17· indefinite desk duty for him? 18· · · · A.· · I probably did. 19· · · · Q.· · Do you actually recall doing that, or 20· are you guessing now? 21· · · · A.· · I would -- I would think that I did, 22· yeah.· I don't actually recall actually giving that 23· order, but I'm pretty sure that I did. 24· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So in your mind's eye, you gave Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 99 ·1· that order? ·2· · · · A.· · Yes. ·3· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Why did do you that with respect ·4· to LaPalermo? ·5· · · · A.· · Because, again, you know, that 30-day ·6· administrative duty, that was the first time we had ·7· used it.· So we were kind of -- it was a new ·8· process.· And in my opinion, now that we've -- it's ·9· evolved a bit.· Only the officer that discharged 10· their weapon actually has to be administratively 11· placed on desk duty. 12· · · · Q.· · Understood. 13· · · · · · · · ·And Mr. Rialmo, I believe, if I'm 14· not mistaken, testified that you actually called 15· him on his cellphone when he was taken off summer 16· mobile.· Is that accurate? 17· · · · A.· · Yes. 18· · · · Q.· · Which phone did you use to call him on? 19· · · · A.· · My Chicago Police Department cellphone. 20· · · · Q.· · How did you get his phone number? 21· · · · A.· · I don't recall.· But typically I would 22· reach out to maybe their commander to see if they 23· had their cellphone number. 24· · · · Q.· · All right.· And was there any type of Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 100 ·1· forewarning to Mr. Rialmo that you would be calling ·2· him, or was it kind of out of the blue? ·3· · · · A.· · It was probably out of the blue. ·4· · · · Q.· · How long did this phone conversation ·5· last? ·6· · · · A.· · A few minutes. ·7· · · · Q.· · Tell me everything you remember saying ·8· to him and everything you remember him saying to ·9· you during this conversation. 10· · · · A.· · I just asked -- probably asked him, to 11· the best of my recollection, was he okay, was he 12· doing okay.· And then I explained to him why I was 13· removing him from summer mobile, that it was in his 14· best interest as well as the citizens of this city 15· that he not be out there having contact with the 16· public. 17· · · · · · · · ·And I asked him if he understood 18· that and that I wasn't trying to penalize or punish 19· him, but it was just in the best interest of all 20· parties that he not be on the street.· And he 21· indicated that he understood. 22· · · · Q.· · So, first, why did you believe it was 23· the best interest of the citizens to have Mr. Rialmo 24· off the streets? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 101 ·1· · · · A.· · Because he had been involved in a ·2· traumatic incident, and I just believed that it was ·3· in the best interest of everyone for him not to be ·4· on the street.· I didn't want to take the chance ·5· of him having another encounter that would just ·6· perhaps bleed into the first incident. ·7· · · · Q.· · Kind of like a bar fight, something ·8· like that? ·9· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm going to object to the 10· form of that question, line of question. 11· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 12· · · · Q.· · You're aware that he was allegedly 13· involved in a bar fight? 14· · · · A.· · Yes. 15· · · · Q.· · That is being investigated by IAD 16· presently? 17· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· If you know. 18· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 19· · · · Q.· · Or is it IPRA?· Or COPA, rather.· Or 20· one of the two. 21· · · · MR. KENNEDY:· Somebody. 22· · · · THE WITNESS:· COPA is investigating it. 23· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 24· · · · Q.· · Okay.· At some point did the IAD Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 102 ·1· initiate an investigation into that bar fight ·2· incident? ·3· · · · A.· · I believe they did initiate the ·4· investigation. ·5· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And are you aware that he's ·6· currently -- that Rialmo is currently being ·7· prosecuted by the state's attorney's office in ·8· connection with that incident? ·9· · · · A.· · Yes. 10· · · · Q.· · Did you ask that that happen? 11· · · · A.· · No. 12· · · · Q.· · Did you have any role in that happening? 13· · · · A.· · No. 14· · · · Q.· · And as a result of the bar fight 15· incident, Mr. Rialmo has been relieved of his 16· police duties; is that right? 17· · · · A.· · Yes. 18· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And who made the decision to 19· relieve him of his police duties in connection 20· with that incident?· Was that you? 21· · · · A.· · No.· That was chief of internal 22· affairs, Eddie Welch. 23· · · · Q.· · Did you have input into that? 24· · · · A.· · No. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 103 ·1· · · · Q.· · Did you agree with the decision to ·2· take -- or relieve Mr. Rialmo of his police powers ·3· because he got involved in a bar fight allegedly? ·4· · · · A.· · You can't keep that thing on, huh? ·5· · · · · · · · ·Based on the facts that Chief Welch ·6· presented to me, I agreed with his -- with his ·7· decision. ·8· · · · Q.· · So why was it okay to relieve him of ·9· his police duties for a bar fight but not for 10· killing two people? 11· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'll just object to compound, 12· incomplete hypothetical. 13· · · · · · · · ·But you can answer. 14· · · · THE WITNESS:· Those are two separate and 15· distinct incidents.· I think with the bar fight, 16· the reason -- one of the major reasons he was 17· relieved of his police powers is because the 18· incident occurred, he left the scene, and we were 19· unable to get his version of what occurred. 20· Perhaps if he had stayed and given a statement at 21· that time he may not have been relieved at that 22· time either. 23· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 24· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So being prosecuted for a Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 104 ·1· battery and a theft is not enough to, alone, in ·2· your view, have an officer relieved of his or ·3· her police duties? ·4· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm just going to object to ·5· the form of that question.· Are you talking about ·6· like any legal conclusions? ·7· · · · · · · · ·Do you understand the question? ·8· · · · THE WITNESS:· No. ·9· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I don't either. 10· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 11· · · · Q.· · A police officer being involved in a 12· bar fight in and of itself, that alone, in your 13· view as superintendent, is not enough to relieve 14· that officer of police duties? 15· · · · A.· · It depends on the circumstances.· If he 16· was being attacked by someone, he has the right to 17· defend himself.· So in that instance, no. 18· · · · Q.· · Okay.· In this instance, did you look 19· at the video of the bar fight? 20· · · · A.· · No. 21· · · · Q.· · Okay.· In this instance, if Mr. Rialmo 22· had not fled the scene, would he have been relieved 23· of his police duties? 24· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Objection; calls for Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 105 ·1· speculation, lack of foundation. ·2· · · · · · · · ·If you know. ·3· · · · THE WITNESS:· Difficult for me to say. ·4· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·5· · · · Q.· · You can't say one way or the other? ·6· · · · A.· · Not unless I knew exactly what happened ·7· at that -- and what he said. ·8· · · · Q.· · So if everything is exactly the same ·9· except that he did not leave the scene, would that 10· have been enough to relieve him of his police 11· duties? 12· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Objection; calls for 13· speculation, lack of foundation, and form of 14· the question, "everything is exactly the same." 15· · · · · · · · ·Don't answer if you don't understand. 16· · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't have enough facts to be 17· able to answer that. 18· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 19· · · · Q.· · All right.· Did you ever take any steps 20· to relieve him of his police powers for the 21· shooting death of Quintonio LeGrier and Bettie 22· Jones? 23· · · · A.· · No. 24· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Do you need a break? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 106 ·1· · · · A.· · No. ·2· · · · · · · · ·How close are we? ·3· · · · Q.· · I have no idea. ·4· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· You have no idea how much ·5· longer you have? ·6· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Well, I thought it was going to ·7· take less time than it is now, so ...· I'm going to ·8· be as quick as I can. ·9· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 10· · · · Q.· · Let me ask about communications, like 11· a bullet point of people.· So just to define this, 12· I'm going to ask you if you've ever communicated 13· with a number of different people.· And by 14· "communications," I'm going to define that as 15· speaking to them either in person or on the phone, 16· emails, texts, or any other type of conceivable 17· communication, hand signals, smoke signals, 18· whatever you can think of. 19· · · · A.· · Okay. 20· · · · Q.· · Okay.· You understand my definition? 21· · · · A.· · Yes. 22· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So have you ever -- other than 23· that one phone conversation with Mr. Rialmo that we 24· just talked about, have you ever had any other Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 107 ·1· communications with him from December 26, 2015 to ·2· today? ·3· · · · A.· · Not that I recall. ·4· · · · Q.· · Have you ever had any communications ·5· with LaPalermo from that date -- and by "that ·6· date," I mean December 26, 2015 -- until today? ·7· · · · A.· · Not that I recall. ·8· · · · Q.· · Have you had any conversations with any ·9· paramedics that arrived on the scene? 10· · · · A.· · No. 11· · · · Q.· · Have you had any conversations with 12· Melissa Staples regarding this particular incident 13· other than the shooting review from December of 14· 2015 to the present? 15· · · · A.· · No. 16· · · · Q.· · The City has named somebody named 17· Sergeant Schoeff, he's a detective sergeant, as 18· a witness in this case. 19· · · · · · · · ·Have you ever had any communications 20· with him regarding this matter? 21· · · · A.· · No. 22· · · · Q.· · Lieutenant Stephanie Stuart, have you 23· ever had any communications with her regarding this 24· matter? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 108 ·1· · · · A.· · No. ·2· · · · Q.· · The medical examiner in this case, ·3· Dr. Escobar-Alvarenga, have you had any ·4· communications with her regarding this matter? ·5· · · · A.· · No. ·6· · · · Q.· · Three police officers, to make it go ·7· more quickly, patrol officers, Brandon Joyce, ·8· Officer Bakula -- I don't remember his first ·9· name -- Thomas Bakula, and Hodges Smith, those 10· three officers are supposed witnesses in this case 11· in one fashion or another. 12· · · · · · · · ·Have you ever had any communications 13· with them regarding this matter? 14· · · · A.· · No. 15· · · · Q.· · Detective Jensen, he's a North -- Area 16· North detective.· Have you had any communications 17· with him regarding this matter? 18· · · · A.· · No. 19· · · · Q.· · How about Kevin Duffin? 20· · · · A.· · No. 21· · · · Q.· · How about Sharon Fairley? 22· · · · A.· · No. 23· · · · Q.· · Commanders of the 15th, 25th, or 11th 24· Districts? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 109 ·1· · · · A.· · Regarding this matter? ·2· · · · Q.· · Yes. ·3· · · · A.· · No. ·4· · · · Q.· · I'm sure you've talked to all these ·5· people at some point.· I'm talking specifically ·6· about this matter. ·7· · · · A.· · No. ·8· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Any other chiefs regarding this ·9· matter? 10· · · · A.· · No. 11· · · · Q.· · Without discussing any conversations, 12· have you had conversations with anybody from the 13· law department regarding this matter or this 14· lawsuit? 15· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Outside of what he's already 16· testified to? 17· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Yes. 18· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Meeting with us?· So outside 19· of that, any other. 20· · · · THE WITNESS:· No. 21· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 22· · · · Q.· · How about with the law firm or people 23· associated with the law firm of Andy Hale & 24· Associates? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 110 ·1· · · · A.· · No. ·2· · · · Q.· · Anybody from the attorney general's ·3· office? ·4· · · · A.· · No. ·5· · · · Q.· · Anybody from the Illinois State Police? ·6· · · · A.· · No. ·7· · · · Q.· · Anybody from the state attorney's ·8· office? ·9· · · · A.· · No. 10· · · · Q.· · Any of the mayor's assistants? 11· · · · A.· · No. 12· · · · Q.· · Has the mayor ever asked you or 13· put any pressure on you with respect to COPA's 14· determination? 15· · · · A.· · No. 16· · · · Q.· · Have you ever had any conversation with 17· the mayor about the shooting deaths of Quintonio 18· LeGrier and Bettie Jones? 19· · · · A.· · No. 20· · · · Q.· · Have you ever had any conversations 21· with the mayor about the investigation or 22· investigations into those deaths? 23· · · · A.· · No. 24· · · · Q.· · Have you ever had any conversations -- Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 111 ·1· or communications, I should say, any communications ·2· at all with the mayor about this lawsuit? ·3· · · · A.· · No. ·4· · · · Q.· · Has anybody from the mayor's office or ·5· anybody associated with the mayor ever communicated ·6· to you or any of your associates about the COPA ·7· findings? ·8· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Object to compound. ·9· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· I know it's compound.· I'm 10· trying to make it go quicker. 11· · · · THE WITNESS:· No to me and not that I'm aware 12· of with anyone else. 13· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 14· · · · Q.· · Do you have any idea what the mayor may 15· want or not want with respect to your decision 16· regarding the COPA investigation? 17· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Object; calls for speculation, 18· lack of foundation. 19· · · · THE WITNESS:· No. 20· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 21· · · · Q.· · Have you ever spoken to anybody from 22· the FOP regarding this incident or the lawsuit 23· stemming from the incident? 24· · · · A.· · No. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 112 ·1· · · · Q.· · Chicago police officers are allowed to ·2· meet with FOP representatives on scene before they ·3· meet with detectives; is that right? ·4· · · · A.· · FOP representatives are allowed to come ·5· to the scene, and they are allowed to speak to them. ·6· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And that's per practice of the ·7· CPD? ·8· · · · A.· · I believe it's a contractual issue. ·9· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And that's something that was in 10· effect back in December of 2015? 11· · · · A.· · Yes. 12· · · · Q.· · All right.· On April 5th, 2017, you 13· received the bureau of detectives' available 14· reports in this case; is that correct? 15· · · · A.· · Say that again. 16· · · · Q.· · On April 5th, 2017, you received the 17· bureau of detectives' available reports in this 18· instance; is that correct? 19· · · · A.· · No. 20· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Let's mark this first exhibit. 21· This will be Exhibit 1 for your deposition. 22· · · · · · · · ·Sir, I'm handing you what's been 23· marked as Deposition Exhibit No. 1.· For 24· identification, it's Bates stamped IPRA-LG-007006. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 113 ·1· It is a To/From from the bureau of detectives, ·2· Kevin B. Duffin, Commander, to Eddie Johnson, Eddie ·3· T. Johnson, dated 5 April 2017. ·4· · · · · · · · ·Do you have that in front of you, sir? ·5· · · · A.· · Yes. ·6· · · · Q.· · Okay.· This is a document that was ·7· signed by Kevin Duffin at the time, Area North ·8· Detective Division, James Jones, Deputy Chief, ·9· Bureau of Detectives, and Melissa Staples, Chief, 10· Bureau of Detectives. 11· · · · · · · · ·Do you see what I'm referring to? 12· · · · A.· · Yes. 13· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And this is something that was 14· sent to you purportedly on April 5th, 2017; is that 15· correct? 16· · · · A.· · That's what it reads, yes. 17· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And you're aware that the bureau 18· of detectives has files with respect to criminal 19· investigations; is that right? 20· · · · A.· · Yes. 21· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And those files are also given 22· to -- in this case were given to IPRA and COPA, 23· right? 24· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm going to just object to Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 114 ·1· foundation. ·2· · · · · · · · ·If you know. ·3· · · · THE WITNESS:· Apparently, reading this ·4· To/From. ·5· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·6· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So did you receive the reports ·7· that were sent to you in this -- along with this ·8· To/From on April 5th, 2017? ·9· · · · A.· · IF I'm reading this To/From correctly, 10· they're requesting information to be sent to IPRA 11· at the time.· So the law department would handle 12· this.· I wouldn't personally -13· · · · Q.· · Well -14· · · · A.· · -- handle this. 15· · · · Q.· · -- it's to Eddie Johnson from Kevin 16· Duffin, and it says, "The undersigned is submitting 17· all available reports in the aforementioned matter." 18· Did I read that correctly? 19· · · · A.· · Yes. 20· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So on its face, it's indicating 21· that Kevin Duffin was sending you all available 22· reports regarding this matter. 23· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I would object to that being 24· a mischaracterization of the document. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 115 ·1· · · · · · · · ·Is that what you think this document ·2· is? ·3· · · · THE WITNESS:· No.· I believe this document is ·4· meant to go to legal.· But because legal is under ·5· the superintendent's office and me being the ·6· superintendent, the heading of it is going to be ·7· to that person.· For instance, if you were sending ·8· something to the chief of patrol, the chief of ·9· patrol wouldn't necessarily get it, but it's under 10· his bureau, so his name would have to be on the To 11· portion of the document. 12· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 13· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So it's your position that you 14· never got this memo and you never got the attached 15· reports? 16· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm going to object to that 17· characterization. 18· · · · · · · · ·You can explain one more time what 19· you think this is. 20· · · · THE WITNESS:· Yeah.· Not me personally.· It's 21· coming -22· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· That's what I'm asking. 23· · · · THE WITNESS:· Yeah.· Not me personally, no. 24 Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 116 ·1· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·2· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So to the best of your memory, ·3· you never received this memo and you never received ·4· the available reports referenced in this memo in ·5· April of 2017, correct? ·6· · · · A.· · Correct. ·7· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Did anybody tell you that they ·8· had received a memo addressed to you containing the ·9· available reports in this case? 10· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· And I'll object to anything 11· calling for attorney-client privileged communication. 12· So any conversation outside of one you may have had 13· with your attorney. 14· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 15· · · · Q.· · You can answer. 16· · · · A.· · So no. 17· · · · Q.· · Charise Valente, she's sitting to your 18· left? 19· · · · A.· · Yes. 20· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So this memo is attention 21· Charise K. Valente? 22· · · · A.· · Yes. 23· · · · Q.· · She's not testifying, so I'm just 24· identifying who it is. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 117 ·1· · · · · · · · ·And it says General Counsel, Office ·2· of Legal Affairs.· Could you explain to me what ·3· that is? ·4· · · · A.· · So legal affairs are basically the ·5· superintendent's attorneys. ·6· · · · Q.· · Okay.· All right.· So you received a ·7· summary report from COPA; is that right? ·8· · · · A.· · Correct. ·9· · · · Q.· · And you received their entire file? 10· · · · A.· · Not initially. 11· · · · Q.· · As you're sitting here today, you've 12· received their entire file?· That's all I asked. 13· Is that right? 14· · · · A.· · To the best of my knowledge, yes. 15· · · · Q.· · Okay.· All right.· I just want to see 16· if I understand what COPA is. 17· · · · · · · · ·COPA is the Civilian Office of 18· Police Accountability? 19· · · · A.· · Correct. 20· · · · Q.· · Established by ordinance? 21· · · · A.· · Correct. 22· · · · Q.· · I think you told us earlier that COPA 23· investigates uses of excessive force? 24· · · · A.· · And any force, yes. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 118 ·1· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And COPA determines whether ·2· particular use of force was in compliance with ·3· CPD policies, right? ·4· · · · A.· · Whether it's in compliance or justified ·5· or unjustified, yes. ·6· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And the COPA report that you ·7· received is something that is required pursuant to ·8· ordinance? ·9· · · · A.· · Yes. 10· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And a portion of that report 11· includes a narrative summary of the investigation 12· undertaken by COPA? 13· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· You mean generally? 14· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· In this instance. 15· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· If you know. 16· · · · THE WITNESS:· Yes. 17· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 18· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And actually in this instance, 19· it was actually an investigation conducted by IPRA 20· and then continued by COPA; is that right? 21· · · · A.· · Correct. 22· · · · Q.· · And the summary report that you 23· received from COPA in this case includes COPA's 24· findings and conclusions; is that right? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 119 ·1· · · · A.· · Yes. ·2· · · · Q.· · And it includes COPA's determination as ·3· to whether Rialmo's shooting of Quintonio LeGrier ·4· and his shooting of Bettie Jones was justified or ·5· not justified; is that correct? ·6· · · · A.· · Yes. ·7· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· How much do you think you ·8· have on this?· Because we might take a break now. ·9· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Let's take a break. 10· · · · THE VIDEO TECHNICIAN:· We are now going off 11· the record at 3:04 p.m. 12· · · · · · · · · · · (Recess taken.) 13· · · · THE VIDEO TECHNICIAN:· The time is 3:12 p.m. 14· We are now back on the record. 15· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 16· · · · Q.· · Sir, I'm going to ask you about this 17· COPA issue going forward.· Okay? 18· · · · A.· · Okay. 19· · · · Q.· · All right.· So you're aware that there 20· were seven allegations that were investigated by 21· COPA, initially IPRA? 22· · · · A.· · Yes. 23· · · · Q.· · Okay.· First allegation was that 24· Officer Rialmo shot Quintonio LeGrier without Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 120 ·1· justification.· You're aware of that? ·2· · · · A.· · Yes. ·3· · · · Q.· · You're aware that allegation No. 5, ·4· that Rialmo shot Bettie Jones without justification, ·5· right? ·6· · · · A.· · Yes. ·7· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And then there's also other ·8· allegations.· I'm going to focus on those.· Okay? ·9· · · · A.· · Yes. 10· · · · Q.· · The COPA report references the 11· department reports regarding this incident. 12· · · · · · · · ·You're aware of that? 13· · · · A.· · Yes. 14· · · · Q.· · And those include the crime scene 15· processing reports.· You're aware of that? 16· · · · A.· · Yes. 17· · · · Q.· · Crime scene processing reports are 18· reports that are available to the detective 19· division; is that right? 20· · · · A.· · Correct. 21· · · · Q.· · You're aware that the COPA report 22· references and summarizes the TRRs and the OBRs? 23· · · · A.· · Yes. 24· · · · Q.· · And that's part of the detective file, Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 121 ·1· right? ·2· · · · A.· · Yes. ·3· · · · Q.· · And you're aware that the COPA report ·4· summarizes the case supplementary reports authored ·5· by the detective division? ·6· · · · A.· · Yes. ·7· · · · Q.· · As well as other officers that may have ·8· authored case supplementary reports.· You're aware ·9· of that? 10· · · · A.· · Yes. 11· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And, again, those are all 12· available in the detective division? 13· · · · A.· · And some of which might be available in 14· patrol. 15· · · · Q.· · All of those reports that I just 16· referenced, those department reports, they're all 17· available in the CLEAR system, right? 18· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· If you know. 19· · · · THE WITNESS:· What do you mean? 20· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 21· · · · Q.· · The crime scene processing reports, the 22· tactical response reports, the officer battery 23· reports, the case supplementary reports, all of 24· those categories of documents, as the superintendent Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 122 ·1· and chief of police, you can access those on your ·2· own through a CPD database; is that fair? ·3· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Object to compound question ·4· and foundation. ·5· · · · · · · · ·You can answer if you know. ·6· · · · THE WITNESS:· You mean their actual reports, ·7· or just a document, a blank document? ·8· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· The reports in a particular RD ·9· number. 10· · · · THE WITNESS:· That's been created? 11· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Yes. 12· · · · THE WITNESS:· No. 13· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 14· · · · Q.· · You cannot, as the superintendent, look 15· in a database of CPD and see what reports are there? 16· · · · A.· · No. 17· · · · Q.· · Do you have a PC number? 18· · · · A.· · Yes. 19· · · · Q.· · Can you use your PC number to log on to 20· the CPD database? 21· · · · A.· · Yes. 22· · · · Q.· · One of those is the CLEAR system? 23· · · · A.· · Yes. 24· · · · Q.· · Is the CHRIS system still in operation, Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 123 ·1· or is that gone? ·2· · · · A.· · CHRIS system is still in operation, but ·3· only certain people can authorize -- access those, ·4· and usually those individuals are the detective ·5· division. ·6· · · · Q.· · Okay.· As the superintendent of the ·7· CPD, can you access with your PC number either the ·8· CHRIS or CLEAR database systems? ·9· · · · A.· · The CLEAR system definitely.· The CHRIS 10· system, I'm not aware of that. 11· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And in the CLEAR system, that 12· includes things such as what are commonly referred 13· to as rap sheets, right? 14· · · · A.· · Yes. 15· · · · Q.· · It also includes if you put in an RD 16· number, you can pull up finished reports in the 17· CLEAR system? 18· · · · A.· · Yes. 19· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So in this case, you could use 20· your PC number, as the superintendent of police, go 21· into the CLEAR system, and pull up the case reports 22· that have been authored in this case, right? 23· · · · A.· · In the CLEAR system, yes. 24· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And you can do that as well for Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 124 ·1· the crime scene processing reports, the TRRs, and ·2· the OBRs, right? ·3· · · · A.· · Yes. ·4· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So the department reports that ·5· are referenced in the COPA summary report that you ·6· received, you could have accessed those any time ·7· since you became superintendent if you wanted to, ·8· right? ·9· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'll object to foundation and 10· calling for speculation. 11· · · · THE WITNESS:· I would have to review the 12· entire report from COPA in order to factually 13· answer that. 14· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 15· · · · Q.· · No.· I'm saying if you were so inclined 16· as of April of 2016 to look at the crime scene 17· processing reports in this case, as the 18· superintendent, you could have used your PC code 19· to go into the CLEAR system to do that, right? 20· · · · A.· · Yes. 21· · · · Q.· · Same thing goes for the case supp 22· reports, the TRRs, and the OBRs? 23· · · · A.· · Correct. 24· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Did you ever do that before you Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 125 ·1· got these reports from COPA? ·2· · · · A.· · No. ·3· · · · Q.· · Why not? ·4· · · · A.· · Because I'm not part of the ·5· investigative chain for that, so no. ·6· · · · Q.· · Okay.· You could also have accessed the ·7· photographs that were taken by the ETs and FIs in ·8· this case? ·9· · · · A.· · If they were in the CLEAR system, yes. 10· · · · Q.· · Are they typically in the CLEAR system? 11· · · · A.· · Generally, yes. 12· · · · Q.· · The JPEG versions, right? 13· · · · A.· · Correct. 14· · · · Q.· · Did you ever look at the JPEG version 15· of the photographs taken by the FIs or ETs in this 16· case? 17· · · · A.· · No. 18· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And just for definitional 19· purposes, ETs are evidence technicians? 20· · · · A.· · Evidence technicians, correct. 21· · · · Q.· · And FIs are forensic investigators? 22· · · · A.· · Correct. 23· · · · Q.· · Okay.· In the COPA report, are you 24· aware that it indicates that the medical examiner's Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 126 ·1· office did not respond to this incident because ·2· they did not receive notification by the CPD that ·3· this was an officer-involved shooting? ·4· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm sorry.· What's the ·5· question?· Is he aware that the COPA report says ·6· that? ·7· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Yes. ·8· · · · THE WITNESS:· I haven't reviewed the COPA ·9· report in its entirety yet. 10· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 11· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Did you review that portion yet? 12· · · · A.· · No. 13· · · · Q.· · Earlier you told us that if it comes to 14· your attention that somebody did not contact the 15· ME's office that you could then go to IAD to 16· investigate that.· You told us that about an hour 17· ago, right? 18· · · · A.· · CPD can, yes. 19· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And you can direct that to 20· happen? 21· · · · A.· · In theory, yes, I could. 22· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So if you learned in reviewing 23· this that nobody was contacted from the ME's 24· office, would you be inclined to refer that to be Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 127 ·1· investigated by the IAD as the superintendent? ·2· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Objection; calls for ·3· speculation. ·4· · · · THE WITNESS:· I could -·5· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Do you know?· Do you know if ·6· you're going to do that? ·7· · · · THE WITNESS:· No, I don't. ·8· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·9· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Under what circumstances would 10· you do that if you were to learn that in the COPA 11· report that that had happened in this case? 12· · · · A.· · You know, in all honesty, something of 13· that nature would be handled by a lower level 14· management person.· So I would -- I would assume 15· that if there were an issue with that it would have 16· been rectified already. 17· · · · Q.· · Okay.· You're familiar with General 18· Order 03-02-03, that's the use of force policy, or 19· a portion of it, right? 20· · · · A.· · Yes. 21· · · · Q.· · Okay.· That's what COPA was determining 22· if that was violated with respect to allegations 1 23· and 5, right? 24· · · · A.· · I would assume that's what they used. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 128 ·1· · · · Q.· · Right.· In other words -·2· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· I don't want to interrupt. ·3· There is one person we forgot to address. ·4· Mr. Brodsky was made aware of this, and he's not ·5· here, right? ·6· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· That's correct.· He's been on ·7· all the emails.· He knows about it.· It's been in ·8· the order that was provided to him.· He knows about ·9· the date and place. 10· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I think he's on trial. 11· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· But he has notice, and he 12· hasn't indicated one way or the other about this 13· proceeding or not proceeding.· He said nothing 14· about it. 15· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Is it safe to say that all 16· parties here -- has any parties that are here 17· received any notice from Mr. Brodsky regarding his 18· participation or lack of participation in this dep? 19· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· No one received notice. 20· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· That is correct. 21· · · · MR. KENNEDY:· Correct, your Honor. 22· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Okay.· So that's from all 23· sides? 24· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Yes. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 129 ·1· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Yes. ·2· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· I'm sorry for interrupting the ·3· deposition.· It just came to my attention. ·4· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· And, Judge, that has been true ·5· for every deposition other than Rialmo's two ·6· depositions. ·7· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Just for my understanding. ·8· Thank you, sir. ·9· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Can we get the last question? 10· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 11· · · · Q.· · Make it clear.· It was a little bit 12· muddled. 13· · · · · · · · ·Allegations 1 and 5 earlier we 14· talked about related to whether Rialmo justifiably 15· shot Quintonio LeGrier and Bettie Jones, and that's 16· something that COPA was looking to see in the 17· context of the use of force policy, right? 18· · · · A.· · Yes.· That's the scope of their 19· authority. 20· · · · Q.· · Are you aware that the COPA summary 21· report states that there are no other witness 22· accounts or physical evidence that corroborate 23· Officer Rialmo's statements that Quintonio swung 24· a bat?· Are you aware of that? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 130 ·1· · · · A.· · No.· Again, I haven't reviewed it. ·2· · · · Q.· · You didn't review that portion yet? ·3· · · · A.· · No.· The investigation -- I review it ·4· so that I get all the facts in the totality of it. ·5· So right now I'm not prepared to -·6· · · · Q.· · You haven't reviewed that portion yet? ·7· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Objection; asked and ·8· answered.· And he was in the middle of giving his ·9· answer. 10· · · · · · · · ·Finish your answer, please.· Go 11· ahead. 12· · · · THE WITNESS:· Okay.· So I review the totality 13· of all the information provided.· It's being 14· reviewed now.· So I'm not prepared to comment one 15· way or another. 16· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 17· · · · Q.· · I'm just asking you about specific 18· portions of the summary report and if you have 19· reviewed those specific ones yet.· Okay? 20· · · · A.· · Okay. 21· · · · Q.· · All right.· So the one that I just 22· read, had you read that yet? 23· · · · A.· · No. 24· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Have you read the portion of the Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 131 ·1· summary report where COPA finds that Officer Rialmo ·2· has provided at least three different accounts of ·3· where Quintonio was standing when he first swung ·4· the bat?· Have you read that portion yet? ·5· · · · A.· · No. ·6· · · · Q.· · Have you read the portion of the COPA ·7· report that states that Rialmo has provided ·8· differing accounts as to where he was standing when ·9· Quintonio swung the bat in an upward direction? 10· Have you read that portion yet? 11· · · · A.· · No.· Again, I'm not going to read that 12· until I've read -- prepared to read the entire 13· thing.· I'm not going to pick and choose pieces of 14· it to read. 15· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Have you gotten to the point of 16· the summary report where it concludes that there's 17· no credible evidence establishing that Quintonio 18· ever swung the bat?· Did you get to that point yet? 19· · · · A.· · Again, I'm not going to make a decision 20· or review it until I'm prepared to review the 21· entire file. 22· · · · Q.· · Did you read the portion of the report 23· where it concludes that all of Officer Rialmo's 24· shots were not within policy? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 132 ·1· · · · A.· · Again, I'm not going to pick and choose ·2· pieces of the report.· I have not reviewed the ·3· entire file yet. ·4· · · · Q.· · I understand.· But you've reviewed ·5· portions of it, right? ·6· · · · A.· · No. ·7· · · · Q.· · You've reviewed nothing? ·8· · · · A.· · I've seen a summary.· But, again, I ·9· will not review pieces of it.· I'm going to review 10· the entire file. 11· · · · Q.· · Well, you've reviewed portions of the 12· summary report authored by COPA; is that correct? 13· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Asked and answered. 14· · · · THE WITNESS:· When they initially sent it to 15· me, I reviewed portions of it. 16· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Okay.· That's what I'm getting 17· at. 18· · · · THE WITNESS:· But we didn't have the entire 19· file. 20· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· I understand. 21· · · · THE WITNESS:· Now it's under investigation or 22· review by my office.· My legal team has it.· When 23· they're done with it, then they'll present it to 24· me, and I will review the entire file. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 133 ·1· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·2· · · · Q.· · Well, as to the portion that you read ·3· from the summary report when you first got it, I'm ·4· asking if when you did that, there are certain ·5· aspects of it that you read.· Okay? ·6· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· He testified he read a ·7· summary of it. ·8· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·9· · · · Q.· · Have you read any portion of the 10· summary report provided by COPA as of today? 11· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· The summary report itself. 12· · · · THE WITNESS:· Yes.· And when I reviewed the 13· summary report, it came to my attention that 14· certain documents were not tendered to us, drafted 15· a communication to COPA that I needed the entire 16· file before I was able to review it. 17· · · · · · · · ·To the best of my knowledge, they 18· have now tendered all of that information.· My 19· legal team is reviewing it.· And once they've 20· completed their review, then I will review the 21· whole file so that I can render my decision. 22· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· I understand.· I think we're 23· talking past one another. 24· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Let me interrupt.· What's that Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 134 ·1· document called? ·2· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· This is a summary report. ·3· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Well, it's not -- it's just ·4· not a summary report.· What's the title on it? ·5· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· It is called the summary ·6· report. ·7· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Is there an identifying number ·8· on it? ·9· · · · MR. THOMAS:· Yes.· IPRA-LG -10· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· No.· That's the Bates stamp 11· number.· No.· So this, Judge -12· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· The log number is on the 13· front page. 14· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· It's -- the log number is 15· 1078616.· It's the summary report of COPA's 16· investigation of this incident. 17· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· That document as identified, 18· did you read that before you came here today at any 19· time? 20· · · · THE WITNESS:· Let me see it. 21· · · · MR. KENNEDY:· We've got an extra copy.· Let's 22· mark it. 23· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Okay. 24· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· That's the question you want Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 135 ·1· to know, right? ·2· · · · MR. KENNEDY:· Yes. ·3· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· We'll mark -·4· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Then ask the question. ·5· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Is that the redacted version? ·6· · · · MR. THOMAS:· It is redacted, you're right. ·7· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· I'm sorry.· That's fine. ·8· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·9· · · · Q.· · Marking as Exhibit 2 for this 10· deposition Summary Report, Chicago Police 11· Department referencing log No. 1078616, Bates 12· stamped for the record IPRA-LG-6957 through 7004. 13· · · · · · · · ·Sir, I'm handing you this exhibit. 14· Let me know if you've had a chance to look it over. 15· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· You don't have a copy? 16· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· I have my copy. 17· · · · · · · · ·We don't have another one? 18· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 19· · · · Q.· · Do you know what it is that I just 20· handed you? 21· · · · A.· · I know what it is, and, no, I have not 22· reviewed that. 23· · · · Q.· · Okay.· When you were just telling us 24· that you reviewed something when you first got Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 136 ·1· something from COPA, is that what you reviewed, ·2· or did you review something else? ·3· · · · A.· · No, that's not the document I reviewed. ·4· I reviewed something else. ·5· · · · Q.· · Okay.· What was it that you reviewed ·6· initially? ·7· · · · A.· · I believe it was a letter from COPA ·8· summarizing their investigation. ·9· · · · Q.· · I understand.· So you're aware that 10· COPA found that the shooting of Quintonio Jones 11· was not justified under the use of force policy? 12· · · · MR. KENNEDY:· Quintonio LeGrier. 13· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· What did I say? 14· · · · MR. KENNEDY:· You said Quintonio Jones. 15· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· I'm getting tired.· What time 16· is it?· Let me withdraw that question. 17· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 18· · · · Q.· · As you sit here right now, you're aware 19· that COPA has concluded that the shooting of 20· Quintonio LeGrier was not justified under the CPD's 21· use of force policy; is that right? 22· · · · A.· · Yes. 23· · · · Q.· · And you're aware that they also found 24· that the shooting of Bettie Jones was not justified Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 137 ·1· under the use of force policy, right? ·2· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Asked and answered. ·3· · · · · · · · ·You can answer again. ·4· · · · THE WITNESS:· Yes. ·5· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·6· · · · Q.· · Okay.· All right.· Have you seen any ·7· portion of Exhibit No. 2 that's in front of you ·8· before I just handed it to you? ·9· · · · A.· · No. 10· · · · Q.· · Okay.· As you sit here today, are 11· you aware that COPA's recommended discipline 12· is separation? 13· · · · A.· · Yes. 14· · · · Q.· · We'll mark two last exhibits here. 15· This is 3.· This is 4. 16· · · · · · · · ·Sir, I'm handing you two exhibits. 17· For the record, they're Exhibits 3 and 4.· Exhibit 18· No. 3 is a letter dated February 21st, 2018, Bates 19· stamp IPRA-LG-8030.· Exhibit No. 4 is a letter 20· dated February 21st, 2018, IPRA-LG-8031. 21· · · · · · · · ·Do you have those in front of you, 22· sir? 23· · · · A.· · Yes. 24· · · · Q.· · Do you recognize what they are? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 138 ·1· · · · A.· · Yes. ·2· · · · Q.· · You wrote these letters? ·3· · · · A.· · I didn't draft them personally.· But I ·4· signed off on them. ·5· · · · Q.· · Why were there two letters on ·6· February 21st, 2018 that you signed saying ·7· basically the same thing, that you were asking ·8· until March 28, 2018? ·9· · · · A.· · I'm not sure. 10· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Let me you point out the 11· differences.· You got 3 in front of you? 12· · · · A.· · Yes. 13· · · · Q.· · Okay.· 3 is the one that's Bates 14· stamped 8030, and 4 is the one that's 8031. 15· Are you looking at them? 16· · · · A.· · Yes. 17· · · · Q.· · All right.· So looking at 3, going to 18· the second line where it says Disciplinary-Related 19· Recommendation, do you see where I'm at? 20· · · · A.· · Yes. 21· · · · Q.· · Okay.· After that in the first letter 22· it says, quote, "By the Civilian Office of Police 23· Accountability."· Do you see that? 24· · · · A.· · Yes. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 139 ·1· · · · Q.· · Okay.· That, what I just stated, is not ·2· in the second letter.· Do you agree with me? ·3· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'll just object to calling ·4· one first and one second because no timeframe has ·5· been established.· You can refer to them as 3 and 4 ·6· exhibits. ·7· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·8· · · · Q.· · See what I'm referring to? ·9· · · · A.· · Yes. 10· · · · Q.· · Okay.· So Exhibit No. 4 does not have 11· what I just referenced in Exhibit No. 3; is that 12· right? 13· · · · A.· · Correct. 14· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Going to the next paragraph, 15· Exhibit No. 3, the first sentence reads, "This 16· investigation involves an important application of 17· the department's use of force policy."· Do you see 18· what I just read? 19· · · · A.· · Yes. 20· · · · Q.· · Did I read that accurately? 21· · · · A.· · Yes. 22· · · · Q.· · That's not in Exhibit No. 4, would you 23· agree with me? 24· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Exhibit No. 3. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 140 ·1· BY MR. FOUTRIS: ·2· · · · Q.· · What I just read is not in Exhibit ·3· No. 4; is that correct? ·4· · · · A.· · Yes. ·5· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Why is that sentence not in ·6· Exhibit No. 4? ·7· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Object to foundation. ·8· · · · · · · · ·If you know. ·9· · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't know. 10· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 11· · · · Q.· · What did you mean when you said that 12· this investigation, quote, "involves an important 13· application of the department's use of force 14· policy"? 15· · · · A.· · Again, I didn't personally draft the 16· documents.· I signed off on them. 17· · · · Q.· · Did you agree with that statement when 18· you signed your name to it? 19· · · · A.· · I don't know if agree or disagree would 20· be accurate. 21· · · · Q.· · Is this investigation involving an 22· important application of the use of force policy? 23· · · · A.· · I would say yes. 24· · · · Q.· · Why would you say that? Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 141 ·1· · · · A.· · All use of force is an important ·2· application of the department's use of force ·3· policy. ·4· · · · Q.· · Do you know which of these two letters ·5· was authored first and which was authored second? ·6· · · · A.· · No. ·7· · · · Q.· · Is there any way we can figure that ·8· out? ·9· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Objection; calls for 10· speculation, foundation. 11· · · · · · · · ·Do you know? 12· · · · THE WITNESS:· No, I don't. 13· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 14· · · · Q.· · Why did you ask until March 28th, 2018 15· to complete the review? 16· · · · A.· · Because when we initially received the 17· file, it was incomplete.· And there's no way for me 18· to make an informed decision unless I have the 19· entire file. 20· · · · Q.· · You had the entire file as of 21· January 12th, 2018? 22· · · · A.· · I'm not sure of the exact date that the 23· remaining documents arrived at CPD. 24· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Have you ever recommended an Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 142 ·1· officer's termination as a superintendent? ·2· · · · A.· · Yes. ·3· · · · Q.· · Other than a termination, what is the ·4· longest suspension you've requested for a police ·5· officer? ·6· · · · A.· · To the best of my recollection, maybe ·7· 365 days. ·8· · · · Q.· · Have you ever not met the 90-day ·9· deadline imposed by the ordinance? 10· · · · A.· · Not that I recall. 11· · · · Q.· · Have you ever -- well, let me ask you 12· this then:· When you were first elevated to 13· superintendent in talking about excessive force by 14· police officers, you said, and I quote, "These 15· incidents, no matter how isolated, undermine our 16· entire department and our relationship with the 17· community.· We have to own it, and we have to end 18· it." 19· · · · · · · · ·Were you quoted accurately when you 20· said that? 21· · · · A.· · If the incident is misconduct or 22· egregious, then yes. 23· · · · Q.· · And you believe in that statement? 24· · · · A.· · If the incident is misconduct or Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 143 ·1· egregious, yes, I do. ·2· · · · Q.· · Do you agree that to end excessive ·3· force, you have to own it and you have to punish ·4· it when it happens? ·5· · · · A.· · If it's found to be excessive force, ·6· yes. ·7· · · · Q.· · Do you agree that video evidence is not ·8· necessary to determine if there was an excessive ·9· use of force? 10· · · · A.· · It helps. 11· · · · Q.· · Do you agree that it's not necessary to 12· determine if there was an excessive use of force? 13· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm just going to object to 14· an incomplete hypothetical scenario. 15· · · · · · · · ·But generally speaking, you can 16· answer. 17· · · · THE WITNESS:· It depends.· It's really a 18· case-by-case basis. 19· BY MR. FOUTRIS: 20· · · · Q.· · So you would agree that it's not 21· necessary to have video evidence, right? 22· · · · A.· · Yeah, I would say -- I will agree with 23· that. 24· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Have you determined whether you Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 144 ·1· will agree with the COPA conclusions in this case ·2· yet? ·3· · · · A.· · No.· Again, I haven't reviewed the ·4· entire file. ·5· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Do you know when you intend to ·6· make that determination? ·7· · · · A.· · I believe I have until the 28th of this ·8· month, and I intend to have my decision by then. ·9· · · · Q.· · Do you have any present intention of 10· asking for an additional extension beyond March 28? 11· · · · A.· · As we sit here today, no. 12· · · · Q.· · Do you know if the mayor indicating 13· that he can only sit for a deposition on March 29 14· was in any way related to your request to make the 15· decision on March 28? 16· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Objection; foundation. 17· · · · · · · · ·Do you know anything about why the 18· mayor's dep was set that date? 19· · · · THE WITNESS:· I have no -- I'm not involved 20· in that at all. 21· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Okay. 22· · · · · · · · · · EXAMINATION 23· BY MR. THOMAS: 24· · · · Q.· · I have just a couple follow-up, just Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 145 ·1· two minutes. ·2· · · · · · · · ·Superintendent, my name is Jonathan ·3· Thomas.· I introduced myself beforehand. I ·4· represent the Estate of Bettie Jones and her ·5· family.· I have just a couple follow-up questions ·6· from Mr. Foutris. ·7· · · · · · · · ·Prior to December 26, 2015, did you ·8· have any knowledge of an individual by the name of ·9· Bettie Jones? 10· · · · A.· · No. 11· · · · Q.· · When did you first become aware of 12· Bettie Jones and her involvement in this incident? 13· · · · A.· · It may have been the day afterwards 14· where I actually got a name.· I'm not sure. 15· Definitely by the time we had the shooting review 16· that Monday. 17· · · · Q.· · Okay.· And we already walked through 18· like your involvement in the police and your 19· responsibilities on the day, December 26 of 2015. 20· So I won't go through all that. 21· · · · · · · · ·But the Chicago Police Department 22· made a statement on December 26th, and they stated 23· that in reference to Bettie Jones, the 55-year-old 24· female victim was accidentally struck and Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 146 ·1· tragically killed and the department extends its ·2· deepest condolences to the victim's family and ·3· friends. ·4· · · · · · · · ·And as the head of the department, ·5· do you accept responsibility for Bettie Jones' ·6· death? ·7· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I'm just going to object to ·8· the form of that question and vague as to accept ·9· responsibility. 10· · · · · · · · ·If you understand what sense he's 11· talking about, you can answer. 12· · · · THE WITNESS:· Well, at the time I wasn't the 13· head of the Chicago Police Department. 14· BY MR. THOMAS: 15· · · · Q.· · Okay.· Today you are, correct? 16· · · · A.· · Yes. 17· · · · Q.· · And do you agree with the statement and 18· accept responsibility for that statement that was 19· made on behalf of the Chicago Police Department? 20· · · · A.· · I think any time that a Chicago police 21· officer is involved in an incident where we take 22· someone's life, then we have to accept the 23· responsibility for it.· We did it. 24· · · · MR. THOMAS:· Okay.· Thank you for your time. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 147 ·1· Barrett, do you -·2· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Well, the only other thing, if ·3· I can -·4· · · · MR. THOMAS:· Oh.· And this has been ·5· previously -- well, before we get -- do you ·6· have any follow-up questions, Barrett? ·7· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I just have one. ·8· · · · MR. THOMAS:· Okay.· I want to say something ·9· about the COPA report.· So if you want me to do it 10· now or wait until I -11· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· You can do it now. 12· · · · MR. THOMAS:· In terms of the COPA report, we 13· previously advised the Court that based upon the 14· findings of the superintendent for the COPA report 15· we would reserve our right to an additional 16· deposition relating to his findings. 17· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· And we would object to that. 18· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· And we -19· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Well, that was brought out in 20· open court before, and it will be limited to a very 21· limited purpose. 22· · · · MR. THOMAS:· Agree. 23· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· I understand you're objecting. 24· You're zealously representing your client, and I Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 148 ·1· understand that.· And let's see what comes out and ·2· when it comes out. ·3· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Exactly. ·4· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· We'll address it then. ·5· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· And there may be -·6· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· And there'll be -- and ·7· there'll be -- well, I shouldn't say it will be. ·8· Everybody should be prepared -- when's the trial ·9· date for this case? 10· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· June 6. 11· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· June 6. 12· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· June 6.· All right.· There 13· will be enough time if there has to be a limited 14· deposition for that purpose.· Between then 15· and -- it will be under the same controlled 16· circumstances, but it won't go as long. 17· · · · MR. THOMAS:· Right. 18· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Right.· And I just wanted 19· to say there may not be any need for a second 20· deposition depending on what his -21· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· I understand.· And that's all 22· subject to what comes up.· I'm not making any 23· prejudgments.· They're reserving their right.· It's 24· been brought out.· And we'll address it when it Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 149 ·1· comes up. ·2· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Okay. ·3· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· And for the record, the LeGrier ·4· estate is also reserving that right just to be ·5· clear for the record. ·6· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Understood.· We'll see. ·7· · · · · · · · ·And you're maintaining your ·8· objection; is that correct -·9· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Correct. 10· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· -- Counsel? 11· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Yes. 12· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· All right.· That's what I 13· thought.· Okay, go. 14· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Okay. 15· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Anything else? 16· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· I just have one question. 17· Okay? 18· · · · · · · · ·Looking at Exhibits 3 and 4, are 19· these letters something that are authored by 20· members of your staff or by you? 21· · · · THE WITNESS:· Typically that would be 22· authored by members of my staff; probably general 23· counsel's office would do -- the lawyers would do 24· that, not me.· I would just sign off on it. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 150 ·1· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Okay.· Thanks. ·2· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Reserve or waive? ·3· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Excuse me. ·4· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· I'm sorry.· Take your time, ·5· dear. ·6· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· We will reserve signature. ·7· · · · THE VIDEO TECHNICIAN:· This is the end of the ·8· deposition.· This is the end of today's testimony. ·9· The time is 3:41 p.m.· And the running length of 10· this deposition is 2 hours, 12 minutes, and 40 11· seconds.· We are now off the record. 12· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· We're on this record.· So you 13· stay going. 14· · · · · · · · ·There is nothing contentious. 15· There's two findings today.· People couldn't agree 16· on where the deposition of the mayor is going to 17· take place.· It's going to take place in this 18· courtroom, same time and place. 19· · · · · · · · ·And there is a protective order that 20· this isn't going anywhere except to the attorneys 21· and then -- that's it. 22· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· You mean the mayor's dep or -23· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· This one.· This gentleman's 24· dep. Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 151 ·1· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Okay. ·2· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Thank you. ·3· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Well, it's the standard ·4· protective order that's been around forever.· You ·5· can only circulate it to the parties, their ·6· consultants, whether they're named or they're -·7· what's the term? -- consultants that they're not ·8· disclosed. ·9· · · · MR. THOMAS:· They are disclosed, but -10· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Well, some people have 11· consultants that aren't disclosed.· They can review 12· it, but that's it. 13· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· And for the record, just for 14· the record, Judge, and I understand your position -15· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· You object. 16· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· The objection is that we 17· believe that there should be an avenue for people 18· to be able to obtain it if they so wish.· I believe 19· that it falls under FOIA.· I believe it's open 20· court records. 21· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Well, then file a FOIA 22· request. 23· · · · MR. FOUTRIS:· Right.· But the other objection 24· is that I think that the protective order should Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 YVer1f EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 152 ·1· only extend until the conclusion of this litigation ·2· and not beyond that.· And that's the objection that ·3· we have. ·4· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Okay.· And we note it for the ·5· record. ·6· · · · MR. THOMAS:· And we join in the objection for ·7· the record. ·8· · · · JUDGE O'HARA:· Anything else? ·9· · · · MS. BOUDREAUX:· Thank you for being here, 10· Judge. 11· · · · · · · · · · · (The deposition concluded at 12· · · · · · · · · · · ·3:42 p.m.) 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 153 ·1 · · · ·IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS ·2· · · · · · COUNTY DEPARTMENT - LAW DIVISION ·3· · · ·4· · · ·5· · · ·6· · · ·7· · · ·8· · · ·9· · · 10· · · 11· · · 12· ·ANTONIO LeGRIER, etc.· · · · · ) · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ) · · · · · · · ·Plaintiff,· · · ·) · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ) · · · · · vs.· · · · · · · · · ·)· No. 15 L 12964 · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ) ·CITY OF CHICAGO,· · · · · · · ·) · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ) · · · · · · · ·Defendant.· · · ·) ·----------------------------· ·)· Consolidated with ·LATARSHA JONES, etc.,· · · · · ) · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ) · · · · · · · ·Plaintiff,· · · ·) · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ) · · · · · vs.· · · · · · · · · ·)· No. 16 L 00012 · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ) ·CITY OF CHICAGO,· · · · · · · ·) · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ) · · · · · · · ·Defendant.· · · ·) 13· · · 14· · · 15· · · 16· · · ·This is to certify that I have read my deposition taken on Thursday, March 15, 2018, in the foregoing cause and that the foregoing transcript accurately states the questions asked and the answers given by me, with the changes or corrections, if any, made on the Errata Sheet attached hereto. 17· · · · · · · · · · ·_____________________________ · · · · · · · · · · · · EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON 18 19· · · 20 · · 21· · · 22 No errata sheets submitted (Please initial) Number of errata sheets submitted _______ pages Subscribed and sworn to before me this _______ day of _________________ 2018. 23· _______________________ · · · · ·Notary Public 24 Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 154 ·1 · · · · · · · · · ·REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE ·2 ·3· · · ·4· · · ·5· · · ·6· · · · I, Nick D. Bowen, do hereby certify that EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON was duly sworn by me to testify the whole truth, that the foregoing deposition was recorded stenographically by me and was reduced to computerized transcript under my direction, and that said deposition constitutes a true record of the testimony given by said witness. ·7· · · ·8· · · ·9· · · 10· · · 11· · · 12· · · · I further certify that the reading and signing of the deposition was not waived, and that the deposition was submitted to Ms. Barrett Boudreaux, defendant's counsel, for signature. Pursuant to Rule 207(a) of the Supreme Court of Illinois, if deponent does not appear or read and sign the deposition within 28 days, the deposition may be used as fully as though signed, and this certificate will then evidence such failure to appear as the reason for signature not being obtained. 13· · · 14· · · 15· · · · I further certify that I am not or employee or attorney or counsel of parties, or a relative or employee of or counsel, or financially interested indirectly in this action. a relative any of the such attorney directly or 16· · · · IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my · · hand and affixed my seal of office at Chicago, 17· Illinois, this 19th day of March 2018. 18 19 · · · · · · · · · ·______________________________ 20· · · · · · · · ·Illinois CSR No. 084-001661 21 22 23 24 Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Page 155 ·1· ·Errata Sheet ·2 ·3· ·NAME OF CASE: LATARSHA JONES, et al. vs CITY OF CHICAGO ·4· ·DATE OF DEPOSITION: 03/15/2018 ·5· ·NAME OF WITNESS: Eddie Tyrone Johnson ·6· ·Reason Codes: ·7· · · · 1. To clarify the record. ·8· · · · 2. To conform to the facts. ·9· · · · 3. To correct transcription errors. 10· ·Page _____ Line ______ Reason ______ 11· ·From ____________________ to ____________________ 12· ·Page _____ Line ______ Reason ______ 13· ·From ____________________ to ____________________ 14· ·Page _____ Line ______ Reason ______ 15· ·From ____________________ to ____________________ 16· ·Page _____ Line ______ Reason ______ 17· ·From ____________________ to ____________________ 18· ·Page _____ Line ______ Reason ______ 19· ·From ____________________ to ____________________ 20· ·Page _____ Line ______ Reason ______ 21· ·From ____________________ to ____________________ 22· ·Page _____ Line ______ Reason ______ 23· ·From ____________________ to ____________________ 24 25· · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·_______________________ Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 Index: 000012–accidentally Page 156 EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 Exhibits 1 Johnson 031418-1 112:21,23 2 Johnson 031418-2 135:9 137:7 17:1,4,24 18:2,16 19:5,6,10,22 20:4,13,19 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attend 80:14 Basileios 5:23 attention 36:18,24 59:23 92:10,12 basis 143:18 116:20 126:14 129:3 133:13 attorney 110:2 116:13 bat 63:22 129:24 131:4,9,18 Bates 112:24 134:10 135:11 137:18 138:13 allegedly 101:12 103:3 attorney's 102:7 110:7 attorney-client 23:3,5,8 116:11 battery 104:1 121:22 allowable 43:14 attorneys 5:21 23:14 82:1 117:5 behalf 5:20 146:19 Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 Index: behavior–code Page 158 EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 behavior 39:5 62:18,22 Brodsky 128:4,17 chair 80:12 Beile 5:2 brought 30:9 35:4 59:23 92:9 chance 101:4 135:14 believed 101:2 Bettie 12:12,21 13:5 105:21 110:18 119:4 120:4 129:15 136:24 145:4,9,12,23 146:5 bike 94:17,20 Bill 89:18 96:4 bit 75:21 89:5 90:12 99:9 129:11 147:19 148:24 change 63:5 bullet 106:11 changed 82:7,14,23 83:2 92:5 bureau 30:5 31:19 59:12,15 60:1,4 62:4 65:20 66:1 68:10,13,16,18,21, 22 77:2 112:13,17 113:1,9,10,17 115:10 blue 39:17,20,24 40:1,9,14,16,17 100:2,3 board 12:23 13:9 born 58:20 Boudreaux 6:8 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90:23 91:7 100:14 107:16 civilian 49:9 117:17 138:22 claim 42:19 case-by-case 143:18 claimed 43:6 cases 17:14 clarify 15:17 casing 33:10,11 class 80:17 categories 121:24 clear 15:18,21 18:9 53:22 121:17 caused 93:22 briefings 81:3 ceased 20:7 broad 34:16 45:23 46:2 67:14 cellphone 73:18,20 99:15,19,23 broader 48:14 center 5:10 67:7 broadly 45:22 chain 89:17 90:21 125:5 Urlaub Bowen & Associates, Inc.· 312-781-9586 122:22 123:8,9,11,17,21,23 124:19 125:9,10 129:11 149:5 client 147:24 close 106:2 code 24:21 38:10,13,17,23 39:1, 12,16,24 40:14 43:18,20 53:8 EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 57:17,20,21 58:8 59:20,24 60:6,22 61:20 62:4,10,12,13,14,20 63:5 124:18 commander 16:4,7,24 31:23 68:12 89:20,24 90:19 91:22 92:2 96:4 99:22 113:2 Congress 64:11 connection 14:19,23 67:12 70:6, 24 72:1 102:8,19 consequences 63:1 consolidated 5:13 commanders 69:24 108:23 consultants 151:6,7,11 comment 45:24 51:3 60:18,19 contact 12:23 13:1 77:22 100:15 130:14 126:14 Index: commander–cut Page 159 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151:20 courtroom 150:18 cover 28:5,8 41:6,8,22 covered 43:15 51:24 95:9 covering 41:13 coverup 42:15 CPD 6:11 14:2 24:7 29:22 30:2 32:7 38:8,9 43:12 45:10 46:6,16 48:12 49:8 51:12 52:7 53:4,23 55:12,22 59:9 60:1,7 62:5,9,10,16 74:7 84:22 112:7 118:3 122:2,15, 20 123:7 126:2,18 141:23 CPD's 53:1 136:20 CPIC 67:4,6,7,11,18,20,23 69:19 70:23 71:17 72:23 73:3 create 19:22 33:5 created 122:10 credible 131:17 crime 15:8 32:3,7 33:2,6,21 34:5 120:14,17 121:21 124:1,16 criminal 113:18 criminals 40:18 cross 25:4 current 8:6 cut 9:7 EDDIE TYRONE JOHNSON, 03/15/2018 department's 139:17 140:13 D Daley 5:10 Daniel 6:5 database 122:2,15,20 123:8 date 5:16 8:16 9:4,23,24 12:15,19 15:12 23:16 35:1 45:2 75:16 90:24 92:12 107:5,6 128:9 141:22 144:18 148:9 141:2 departments 41:1 depending 148:20 depends 104:15 143:17 deposition 5:4,7,12,18 7:3 10:4 11:4,5,8,13 24:15 33:15 35:5 43:15 52:10 58:2 61:14 89:16 112:21,23 129:3,5 135:10 144:13 147:16 148:14,20 150:8,10,16 152:11 Index: Daley–draft Page 160 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